RE: Range Rover Velar: Review
Discussion
Stick Legs said:
Ares said:
Evoque is small. As my dad calls them, a girls 4x4.
RRS and FFRR are big and proper full size SUVs (in the UK).
This is a good fit between the two.
1) It's fRRS and FFRR are big and proper full size SUVs (in the UK).
This is a good fit between the two.
king hideous. 2) They make a Discovery & a Discovery Sport which are 'a good fit between the two'.
3) As it's now obviously school holiday's you can tell your Dad that he's right. And add that this is a bell end's 4x4.
2) The Discos are the 'cheap' option, I've you've ever been in them compared to a RR you'll notice a HUGE difference.
3) My dad is 74yrs old. Not sure where the school reference comes from, but your assertion of this being a 'bell-end's 4x4' suggests you are closer to school age than me.
Stick Legs said:
2) They make a Discovery & a Discovery Sport which are 'a good fit between the two'.
HorneyMX5 said:
Stick Legs said:
2) They make a Discovery & a Discovery Sport which are 'a good fit between the two'.
Personally, their range hierarchy doesn't bother me, and I don't struggle with them offering to fill obvious niches. More choice is good.
The use of the term 'white space' however, is not good.
richthebike said:
RammyMP said:
richthebike said:
I'm two years into Range Rover ownership. Fantastic product, when it isn't breaking down, let down even further by the worst dealership experience I have ever known.
Even if this won every road test in every magazine I'd not buy it, and I'd be first to tell people who ask my opinion to avoid the brand on the whole.
Looking to switch out of my FFRR asap and have asked the network to buy it back.
Snap. We've had a number of Discovery Sports when the Evoque has been in to get fixed and I get that they need an intermediate luxury model as the Disco Sport feels very cheap.Even if this won every road test in every magazine I'd not buy it, and I'd be first to tell people who ask my opinion to avoid the brand on the whole.
Looking to switch out of my FFRR asap and have asked the network to buy it back.
Unfortunately there is no way that LR will get any more money out of me until they build a reliable car and their dealers provide a service better then f
king piss poor!The FFRR is a brilliant, brilliant product, when it works. But when it doesn't you're in the hands of their service division / warranty department and it is unbearable.
I won't write the details here because we're in a bit of a dispute, but I cannot emphasise enough how much I'd advise everyone in the PH community not to get drawn in by the lovely product, and think very carefully about whether you can live with the associated frustrations.
You take as you find... the people at my local dealership are first rate
No. No. and No.
After reading the Autocar review ("hmmm, something not quite right...") I can't help but feel that the not quite right is the platform (nowt wrong with platform sharing etc when sharing with like vehicles) making a Rangie from an XE / XF Platform has to be a bad place to start right?
Yes, it's more road focused with enough options available to make it a creditable off roader and this is where IMHO the plot is lost.
A RRS starts at 60k, go decent Diesel HSE and you might see change out of 75k (I like that car it has real presence )
Enter the Velar stage left and with a V6 it's easy to nudge into RRS money.
It's a gap that didn't need to be filed and it's badge engineering. F-Pace, Discovery, Discovery Sport were happily doing fine work in that gap.
I'm sure it will sell loads but a Range Rover on a purely road based platform seems wrong.
T1b
After reading the Autocar review ("hmmm, something not quite right...") I can't help but feel that the not quite right is the platform (nowt wrong with platform sharing etc when sharing with like vehicles) making a Rangie from an XE / XF Platform has to be a bad place to start right?
Yes, it's more road focused with enough options available to make it a creditable off roader and this is where IMHO the plot is lost.
A RRS starts at 60k, go decent Diesel HSE and you might see change out of 75k (I like that car it has real presence )
Enter the Velar stage left and with a V6 it's easy to nudge into RRS money.
It's a gap that didn't need to be filed and it's badge engineering. F-Pace, Discovery, Discovery Sport were happily doing fine work in that gap.
I'm sure it will sell loads but a Range Rover on a purely road based platform seems wrong.
T1b
Ares said:
Stick Legs said:
Ares said:
Evoque is small. As my dad calls them, a girls 4x4.
RRS and FFRR are big and proper full size SUVs (in the UK).
This is a good fit between the two.
1) It's fRRS and FFRR are big and proper full size SUVs (in the UK).
This is a good fit between the two.
king hideous. 2) They make a Discovery & a Discovery Sport which are 'a good fit between the two'.
3) As it's now obviously school holiday's you can tell your Dad that he's right. And add that this is a bell end's 4x4.
2) The Discos are the 'cheap' option, I've you've ever been in them compared to a RR you'll notice a HUGE difference.
3) My dad is 74yrs old. Not sure where the school reference comes from, but your assertion of this being a 'bell-end's 4x4' suggests you are closer to school age than me.
The Disco Sport is where you see a quality difference (as with the Evoque).
Greg_D said:
richthebike said:
RammyMP said:
richthebike said:
I'm two years into Range Rover ownership. Fantastic product, when it isn't breaking down, let down even further by the worst dealership experience I have ever known.
Even if this won every road test in every magazine I'd not buy it, and I'd be first to tell people who ask my opinion to avoid the brand on the whole.
Looking to switch out of my FFRR asap and have asked the network to buy it back.
Snap. We've had a number of Discovery Sports when the Evoque has been in to get fixed and I get that they need an intermediate luxury model as the Disco Sport feels very cheap.Even if this won every road test in every magazine I'd not buy it, and I'd be first to tell people who ask my opinion to avoid the brand on the whole.
Looking to switch out of my FFRR asap and have asked the network to buy it back.
Unfortunately there is no way that LR will get any more money out of me until they build a reliable car and their dealers provide a service better then f
king piss poor!The FFRR is a brilliant, brilliant product, when it works. But when it doesn't you're in the hands of their service division / warranty department and it is unbearable.
I won't write the details here because we're in a bit of a dispute, but I cannot emphasise enough how much I'd advise everyone in the PH community not to get drawn in by the lovely product, and think very carefully about whether you can live with the associated frustrations.
You take as you find... the people at my local dealership are first rate
The reliability issues haven't been trivial. It left me stranded in traffic in the outside lane of the M6 for 5 minutes when the gearbox decided it needed a word with itself or a rest or something. This is the 8 speed ZF / 4.4 TDV8 powertrain.
Anyway, I'm hoping to get a peaceful resolution soon without resorting to anything drastic.
T1berious said:
It's a gap that didn't need to be filed and it's badge engineering. F-Pace, Discovery, Discovery Sport were happily doing fine work in that gap.
I'm sure it will sell loads but a Range Rover on a purely road based platform seems wrong.
T1b
You've just proved yourself wrong. JLR are there to sell cars. Ergo, if a new model sells loads, it's a niche that works.I'm sure it will sell loads but a Range Rover on a purely road based platform seems wrong.
T1b
DeolTheBeast said:
Ares said:
Stick Legs said:
Ares said:
Evoque is small. As my dad calls them, a girls 4x4.
RRS and FFRR are big and proper full size SUVs (in the UK).
This is a good fit between the two.
1) It's fRRS and FFRR are big and proper full size SUVs (in the UK).
This is a good fit between the two.
king hideous. 2) They make a Discovery & a Discovery Sport which are 'a good fit between the two'.
3) As it's now obviously school holiday's you can tell your Dad that he's right. And add that this is a bell end's 4x4.
2) The Discos are the 'cheap' option, I've you've ever been in them compared to a RR you'll notice a HUGE difference.
3) My dad is 74yrs old. Not sure where the school reference comes from, but your assertion of this being a 'bell-end's 4x4' suggests you are closer to school age than me.
The Disco Sport is where you see a quality difference (as with the Evoque).
Ares said:
Stick Legs said:
I struggle to see the point when the RRS & Evoque exist.
More troubling is the wholesale debasement of everything that made JLR special vehicles in the first place.
Range Rover, Discovery & Land Rover was a long time ago now but they are still trading on that image & heritage.
I can see the whole JLR project collapsing a'la Rover once the current product lines are swelling the classifieds and the 'specialness' has gone.
Shame.
Evoque is small. As my dad calls them, a girls 4x4.More troubling is the wholesale debasement of everything that made JLR special vehicles in the first place.
Range Rover, Discovery & Land Rover was a long time ago now but they are still trading on that image & heritage.
I can see the whole JLR project collapsing a'la Rover once the current product lines are swelling the classifieds and the 'specialness' has gone.
Shame.
RRS and FFRR are big and proper full size SUVs (in the UK).
This is a good fit between the two.
Evoque - everyman's lease car, any full time job working person can and does sign up, in white.
Velar- lease car for the team managers who earn a bit more and don't want same as the workers
Rrs - less lifestyle product now, may even be bought in cash.
Ffrr - person wafting along.
p1stonhead said:
Ares said:
p1stonhead said:
+1 look how bloody similar all of these look!
Brand following similar design cue shocker?No-one else does that. Except BMW, Audi, Merc, Lexus, Porsche, Jaguar,.....
As mentioned the RR range is the "posh" range and LR is the "common" range, so they only really make 4 of any one type.
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