RE: Jaguar F-Type 2.0 vs. Porsche 718 Cayman
Discussion
Yipper said:
Good review.
The biggest problem with buying a cheap Porker or Jag is that you're gonna get beat at some point by a Golf R or Audi S3 on a lease and then you'll be left with horrific buyer's remorse.
I suspect the owners that are bothered will go for the more powerful versions, and the ones that own these will not really be all that worried about being "beaten", I should imagine if they were bothered they could get the Golf R and spend 20 odd grand making it do a 9 second quarter.The biggest problem with buying a cheap Porker or Jag is that you're gonna get beat at some point by a Golf R or Audi S3 on a lease and then you'll be left with horrific buyer's remorse.
I expect a lot of the naysayers would actually love either if they drove them.
Yipper said:
Good review.
The biggest problem with buying a cheap Porker or Jag is that you're gonna get beat at some point by a Golf R or Audi S3 on a lease and then you'll be left with horrific buyer's remorse.
In a traffic light dragrace or where? If the roads on which I was driving during my recent holidays in Scotland are anything to go by, than the power debate in the UK is even more irrelevant than in most other countries.The biggest problem with buying a cheap Porker or Jag is that you're gonna get beat at some point by a Golf R or Audi S3 on a lease and then you'll be left with horrific buyer's remorse.
Most B roads are cca 80% of width compared with rest of Europe, with vastly limited visibility to following corners. Cat-eye dividers are further discouraging from any cutting attempts even when the visibility is ok.
Whole 800 miles trip I was wondering why would anyone want to drive a really powerful car, let alone something of supercar width in the UK.
I would go as far as to say that with a skilled pro driver, going as fast as he dare in regular traffic, average speed in diesel Astra on 18" wheels I had as my rental would be well over 90% of speed of something like an R8.
Edited by Zajda on Sunday 20th August 18:24
Scandalous abominations, you lot do talk some nonsense.
It doesnt make a huge difference on the cost of a car to add two pistons, you can get super cheap V6 saloons in the US, you are paying for the rest mainly, it isnt going to be 25 grand.
Its like OCD or mild Autism this "Jags should have x cylinders", guess what Jaguar have said that is not strictly true by making 4 cyl cars, things change and evolve, or go the way of the Dinosaur, just celebrate the fact you can still buy a V8 version.
It doesnt make a huge difference on the cost of a car to add two pistons, you can get super cheap V6 saloons in the US, you are paying for the rest mainly, it isnt going to be 25 grand.
Its like OCD or mild Autism this "Jags should have x cylinders", guess what Jaguar have said that is not strictly true by making 4 cyl cars, things change and evolve, or go the way of the Dinosaur, just celebrate the fact you can still buy a V8 version.
Yipper said:
Good review.
The biggest problem with buying a cheap Porker or Jag is that you're gonna get beat at some point by a Golf R or Audi S3 on a lease and then you'll be left with horrific buyer's remorse.
Bang on Yipper!! I've got lots of "mates" and "friends" and "someone I know" and also "a work colleague" just like you have that could all afford to buy outright whatever car they like but interestingly even though they could all pick and choose from a plethora of more exotic, interesting, credible, and most importantly vastly more expensive alternatives they have all chosen a Golf R on a lease deal which, as all the smart cookies like yourself know, is the one and only car that the true petrolhead should be considering. When will the rest of the dedicated enthusiast car buying demographic catch up with your straight forward, logical thinking? I mean, who in their right mind would pick out a Jaguar coupe or a Porsche in a car park to get excited about if there was a Golf to perv over?? Bloody fools the lot of them!!The biggest problem with buying a cheap Porker or Jag is that you're gonna get beat at some point by a Golf R or Audi S3 on a lease and then you'll be left with horrific buyer's remorse.
They'll sell rent loads of these. 4 pot in either of these cars is missing half of the driving experience - the noise. But at a low monthly payment the image conscious won't give a toss.
Stuff both of these abominations and as said above celebrate the fact that V8s are still alive and still available. For now. Get 'em while they're hot....
Stuff both of these abominations and as said above celebrate the fact that V8s are still alive and still available. For now. Get 'em while they're hot....
J4CKO said:
I suspect the owners that are bothered will go for the more powerful versions, and the ones that own these will not really be all that worried about being "beaten", I should imagine if they were bothered they could get the Golf R and spend 20 odd grand making it do a 9 second quarter.
I expect a lot of the naysayers would actually love either if they drove them.
Exactly. You could be out in your 1979 512BB and be 'beaten' by some peasant in a Golf R. But you have a Ferrari, and they don't.I expect a lot of the naysayers would actually love either if they drove them.
I've never found the F Type especially pretty tbh. It's alright in the way a GT86 is alright, but no more to me. And something niggles about a four cylinder Jaguar, plus that stupid price tag. Think how cheap the E Type was compared to the opposition - that's why they could never make enough of them. This car should be £39'995, and they'd need a bigger factory.
I'd have the Porsche. It's a familiar sight but you just know it's going to be a fine bit of kit. Fair play to Jaguar though for building this. When you think of the sh*t they were making 10 years ago - X Type rubbish and the like - this is great news. I hope they sell loads.
andy43 said:
They'll sell rent loads of these. 4 pot in either of these cars is missing half of the driving experience - the noise.
It may be half the driving experience for you, but for most potential buyers it's maybe 10% at most, probably more like 5%. These manufacturers aren't stupid, they know their market. kambites said:
It may be half the driving experience for you, but for most potential buyers it's maybe 10% at most, probably more like 5%. These manufacturers aren't stupid, they know their market.
Yup. When BMW replaced the straight six with the turbo fours 5-6 years ago, I thought the fours were better. The 428i Coupe really does drive well.What this thread truly reveals is that 99% of the buying public is much happier in a "safe choice" diesel hatchback than buying anything that remotely resembles a sportscar.
That Jag is clearly an entry model cruiser - splash £55k on a Porsche (no need for all the expensive extras) and you're out on the road on one of the best sportscars ever built.
That Jag is clearly an entry model cruiser - splash £55k on a Porsche (no need for all the expensive extras) and you're out on the road on one of the best sportscars ever built.
ITP said:
I think the best option would be a 6cyl manual cayman of the previous gen but with a shorter final drive to lower the gearing 25% or so.
Does anyone offer this as an aftermarket mod?
Yes just buy a Quaife diff with a lower final drive & that would do what you want to the gearing.Does anyone offer this as an aftermarket mod?
ash73 said:
I said in the launch thread the 4 pot would suit the Jaguar, 50kg saving up front will transform the handling. But nobody cares about driving, everyone just wants the Jones' next door to hear their monster V8.
Jaguar every time for me, Porsche lost the plot when they started printing the entire alphabet on the boot lid. While the V8 convertible is look at me! new money tat, the 4 pot coupe is understated bliss. I like everything except the price.
The same shallow exhibitionism that leads to fake engine noise and fake exhaust pops/bangs.Jaguar every time for me, Porsche lost the plot when they started printing the entire alphabet on the boot lid. While the V8 convertible is look at me! new money tat, the 4 pot coupe is understated bliss. I like everything except the price.
The saline implants of the car world....
Mr Tidy said:
Both a waste of time IMO - 300 bhp from a 4-pot turbo is easily achievable in a Leon Cupra, Golf, Audi, Focus these days (for much less cost)!
Because people who are after an F-Type or Cayman are going to be swayed by the fact that a hatchback has the same numbers from a similar engine and think y'know what? I'll have one of them instead.Don't be bloody ridiculous.
F1GTRUeno said:
Because people who are after an F-Type or Cayman are going to be swayed by the fact that a hatchback has the same numbers from a similar engine and think y'know what? I'll have one of them instead.
Don't be bloody ridiculous.
Thanks for that! Don't be bloody ridiculous.
The point I was trying to make was that I wouldn't pay a 50+ per cent premium just to get a Porker or Shaguar that didn't do anything much that an Audi/Seat/Skoda/BMW/Ford couldn't do!
Every manufacturer can make a 2 litre 4-pot turbo with 300 ish bhp these days (even Honda have managed it) - so what is so special about the F-Type/Cayman?
Zajda said:
I would go as far as to say that with a skilled pro driver, going as fast as he dare in regular traffic, average speed in diesel Astra on 18" wheels I had as my rental would be well over 90% of speed of something like an R8.
I agree, My 430d is in for some warranty work so they've given me a 320d xdrive loan car. I decided to take it down this twisty bendy road in my area for a blast to see what everyone moans about with the x drive and honestly speaking, on a twisty road, it felt just as fast as the 3.0, I was carrying the same speed through the bends as the 430. it's A lot slower in a straight line but the point is how much fun can you have? Yeah an RS3 would leave a 2.0 f type behind but I bet everyone here would borrow an f type for the weekend instead of any hot hatch Edited by Zajda on Sunday 20th August 18:24
Mr Tidy said:
Thanks for that!
The point I was trying to make was that I wouldn't pay a 50+ per cent premium just to get a Porker or Shaguar that didn't do anything much that an Audi/Seat/Skoda/BMW/Ford couldn't do!
Every manufacturer can make a 2 litre 4-pot turbo with 300 ish bhp these days (even Honda have managed it) - so what is so special about the F-Type/Cayman?
I'm pretty sure a RWD coupe is going to tick plenty of boxes that a FWD hatchback with the same power can't.The point I was trying to make was that I wouldn't pay a 50+ per cent premium just to get a Porker or Shaguar that didn't do anything much that an Audi/Seat/Skoda/BMW/Ford couldn't do!
Every manufacturer can make a 2 litre 4-pot turbo with 300 ish bhp these days (even Honda have managed it) - so what is so special about the F-Type/Cayman?
People in the market for a Cayman or F-Type will never have the notion of a similarly powerful hatchback flash into their heads so stop trying to equate them just because they've got the same power.
Still can't believe people trot out the "you can get a faster hatchback for less money".
That's just missing the point entirely.
The jag does seem to be more suited to cruising and is somewhat GT car. But the £10k price gap really does make the Cayman seem a bargain.
I can't get past the noise of the Cayman though, it's just not right for a car at that price point. It sounds too much like a Subaru.
That's just missing the point entirely.
The jag does seem to be more suited to cruising and is somewhat GT car. But the £10k price gap really does make the Cayman seem a bargain.
I can't get past the noise of the Cayman though, it's just not right for a car at that price point. It sounds too much like a Subaru.
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