RE: VW Tiguan R testing

[HJMS123]

vz-r_dave said:

I see plenty of Audi SQ5's being driven like miss daisy in central London

Being stuck in bumper to bumper traffic doesn't count

[vz-r_dave]

Rawwr said:

vz-r_dave said:

I am not, I am asking why, help me understand why people buy these things?

I think it's because at some point, supply crosses demand.

Your pedantism still isnt answering the question, add some value, where does the demand come from?

[Colonial]

vz-r_dave said:

Your pedantism still isnt answering the question, add some value, where does the demand come from?

People who want a stupidly over powered engine in a boring family car?

Why get a BMW 340i over a 318i?

[Rawwr]

vz-r_dave said:

Your pedantism still isnt answering the question, add some value, where does the demand come from?

From people who want them. I think that's traditional.

[Jonno02]

My wife has an SEL. Why anybody would want a 'sporty version' of a big fuax by faux is beyond me.

[vz-r_dave]

Rawwr said:

vz-r_dave said:

Your pedantism still isnt answering the question, add some value, where does the demand come from?

From people who want them. I think that's traditional.

Dear oh dear you can stop now..... what is creating the demand? Is it the brand, is it the seating position (as called out already) etc.

[J4CKO]

And why not ?

Have some of those small, noisy, smelly, expensive creatures, but want something with a bit of a kick, the diesel one is fine but just makes you want cry, well here is your answer !

[Zetec-S]

From my observations, there are 2 types of Tiguan buyer:

1. School run mum. Buys a 2.0TDi for fuel economy and cheap tax. But must be R-Line spec so it's more sporty/sparkly.
2. Bert and Mavis. For the weekly shopping run, and trips to National Trust properties.

Neither of these groups will want a proper "R" version, so they'll probably sell about 10.

[Uncle John]

Why these days is Pistonheads full of angry little men that simply refuse to believe that people are different and maybe just maybe, would prefer a vehicle that they would not......

I knew which way this thread would go as soon as I saw the article headline.

[Jonno02]

Uncle John said:

Why these days is Pistonheads full of angry little men that simply refuse to believe that people are different and maybe just maybe, would prefer a vehicle that they would not......

I knew which way this thread would go as soon as I saw the article headline.

An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages

Not everybody will share your opinion and that's the point of an internet forum. The only angry little man I see in this thread is you.

I don't understand why anybody would want a big wafty jeep with 'go', I'd instead opt for a fast estate. But as mentioned above, not everybody agrees with each other opinions. That doesn't mean people shouldn't voice them, if nobody voiced opinions on here, there would be very few posts.

[vz-r_dave]

Uncle John said:

Why these days is Pistonheads full of angry little men that simply refuse to believe that people are different and maybe just maybe, would prefer a vehicle that they would not......

I knew which way this thread would go as soon as I saw the article headline.

I am not angry nor am I little.... But asking why and believing that these types are cars are a tad on the silly side is fine as its a simple opinion. I am more than happy to hear differing opinions, show me the light! What I am finding is those who share differing opinons are not in the market for one anyone and hence have little to say.. shame

[Uncle John]

Jonno02 said:

Uncle John said:

Why these days is Pistonheads full of angry little men that simply refuse to believe that people are different and maybe just maybe, would prefer a vehicle that they would not......

I knew which way this thread would go as soon as I saw the article headline.

An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages

Not everybody will share your opinion and that's the point of an internet forum. The only angry little man I see in this thread is you.

I don't understand why anybody would want a big wafty jeep with 'go', I'd instead opt for a fast estate. But as mentioned above, not everybody agrees with each other opinions. That doesn't mean people shouldn't voice them, if nobody voiced opinions on here, there would be very few posts.

Not sure where you think I'm angry, my point is if you don't like the car, you don't have to comment on it in a risible fashion and this 'Why fast SUV's over estates' thing has been done to death.

[Colonial]

vz-r_dave said:

I am not angry nor am I little.... But asking why and believing that these types are cars are a tad on the silly side is fine as its a simple opinion. I am more than happy to hear differing opinions, show me the light! What I am finding is those who share differing opinons are not in the market for one anyone and hence have little to say.. shame

So is the 340i ridiculous when you can get a perfectly fine family car in the 318d? The main thing the 340i does better is win at traffic light races after all

[iphonedyou]

Uncle John said:

Why these days is Pistonheads full of angry little men that simply refuse to believe that people are different and maybe just maybe, would prefer a vehicle that they would not......

I knew which way this thread would go as soon as I saw the article headline.

Bizarre, isn't it.

Different people like different things. Market responds.

The horror.

[vz-r_dave]

Colonial said:

vz-r_dave said:

Your pedantism still isnt answering the question, add some value, where does the demand come from?

People who want a stupidly over powered engine in a boring family car?

Why get a BMW 340i over a 318i?

The 3 series is a good platform to start from when building a hot version, take the M's ect as you know. I don't see why you would take a disadvantaged platform like the baby suv as a base for a 400hp 5 cylinder, even more so when the Golf R didn't get the treatment.

I fully understand that VAG didn't want the R to canablise sales on the RS3.

[daydotz]

When these are under £300 Per month on lease PH will be all over it

[vz-r_dave]

Colonial said:

vz-r_dave said:

I am not angry nor am I little.... But asking why and believing that these types are cars are a tad on the silly side is fine as its a simple opinion. I am more than happy to hear differing opinions, show me the light! What I am finding is those who share differing opinons are not in the market for one anyone and hence have little to say.. shame

So is the 340i ridiculous when you can get a perfectly fine family car in the 318d? The main thing the 340i does better is win at traffic light races after all

As my response above, the 340i is not a hot/halo version but I do agree to an extent.

[Colonial]

vz-r_dave said:

The 3 series is a good platform to start from when building a hot version, take the M's ect as you know. I don't see why you would take a disadvantaged platform like the baby suv as a base for a 400hp 5 cylinder, even more so when the Golf R didn't get the treatment.

I fully understand that VAG didn't want the R to canablise sales on the RS3.

Have you actually driven one? As in the current gen Tiguan?

[Resolutionary]

vz-r_dave said:

Highline spec TSFI, TSI or what ever the petrol VW engines are these days... I hardly need a 5 cylinder 400hp engine in my baby SUV..... it is seriously rediculous in my eyes.

Nobody 'needs' anything of the sort. This is Pistonheads though, a forum dedicated to a love of all things automotive, and shared by people who drive Micras all the way to Aventadors.

Not all cars are meant to be solely utilitarian, and judging by SUV sales (of any kind), I expect this will accomodate a great many buyers who would otherwise punt for a Juke R or similarly veined vehicle.

Not everything is for everyone.

[vz-r_dave]

Colonial said:

vz-r_dave said:

The 3 series is a good platform to start from when building a hot version, take the M's ect as you know. I don't see why you would take a disadvantaged platform like the baby suv as a base for a 400hp 5 cylinder, even more so when the Golf R didn't get the treatment.

I fully understand that VAG didn't want the R to canablise sales on the RS3.

Have you actually driven one? As in the current gen Tiguan?

No I haven't, I like them, good looking car. However I am certain my BMW is a better car all round when it comes to spirited driving. Not necessarily faster but more fun and connected. Even with its 20 year old chassis. I always associate brands like RS, R etc with spirited, connected driving but the baby SUV far from it which is why I struggle to understand these things.

Perhaps I am wrong and need to get behind the wheel of one, I could be turned to the dark side.