RE: Audi R8 RWS - Frankfurt 2017

[Ares]

anonymous said:

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True....but with the state of most modern manual boxes, especially the R8, and how good the modern autos are, especially with manual/paddle modes, I can't see how anyone can be so automatically denigrating of modern autos.

The auto R8 is great, the open gate manual is just horrid. Same thing goes with so many cars now.

[Quickmoose]

It would be better if had some wheels....
fugly thing.

[kambites]

Ares said:

NDNDNDND said:

I'd still prefer a bad manual to a boring automatic.

I'd take a great automatic over a bad manual. Seems I'm in the majority too ;-)

It often seems that most people would take a bad automatic over a good manual (just look at the early single-clutch automated boxes that out-sold their manual compatriots). There's obviously no right or wrong, it's just a matter of preference.

Personally, I rather liked the mk1 R8's manual gearbox. I don't like overly "slick" feeling gearboxes, I prefer a gearbox which will push back at me if I screw up my rev matching.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 13th September 14:30

[xjay1337]

wab172uk said:

Still no manual option though

Because the drivetrain is pants with a manual option. If you feel that strongly buy a manual gearbox from a Gallardo and fit that.

[Plug Life]

They should make a FWD version as well.

[Ares]

anonymous said:

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I drove the old R8 manual and auto at an RS day 3 years ago. The Manual was such a dog, anyone that took it out (for 40 mins slots), brought it back within 10 minutes.

Looked nice, open gate, but just ruined the drive of an otherwise nice car, reminded me of my mother 1970's Beetle gearbox, only worse. Jumping into the Auto was like fast-forwarding 20 years.

Could have been a dog, but at an Audi RS day, I doubt it.

[Gandahar]

I get the feeling the road test boys will love this car.

The AWD version been rather in the shadow of the Lambo alternative and also for "fun" in the shadow of the Mclaren 540/570s and sales wise to people wanting the 991 turbo S.

I guess it is now competing against the new GT3 again. I sort of hope this car gets rave reviews. It has the potential.

[Quickmoose]

Do many people look at this and genuinely think "hmm that's gorgeous!" ?

If it were the new Noble I'd be happy, but Audi can do MUCH better than this....
or maybe they can't.....bemusing...

[Ares]

Plug Life said:

They should make a FWD version as well.

Saving that for the 3.0 diesel version

[Ares]

anonymous said:

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Can't answer. I've never driven an auto where you do press buttons

And problem with the different car option is, you end up ruling out just about every decent car, just to get a manual gearbox!

[Ares]

Quickmoose said:

Do many people look at this and genuinely think "hmm that's gorgeous!" ?

If it were the new Noble I'd be happy, but Audi can do MUCH better than this....
or maybe they can't.....bemusing...

Audi do appear to be on a slippery slope.

Last time around was the first time in 20yrs I've not even considered an Audi.

[FN2TypeR]

kambites said:

I can't help for feel that it's too late. IMO the ideal R8 to be RWD only would be the original manual V8.

I'm inclined to agree - and I'm going to be an appalling person and say that I'd probably still buy the four wheel drive model anyway, I drove on the first gen R8's (V8 manual) and it was bloody brilliant in my opinion, for every day duties I think that it was more or less spot on - I'd be a nancy and keep the additional security that it provides, they're still plenty playful and engaging IMO

[Ares]

anonymous said:

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The one I drove had paddles. As does every half decent auto I've driven??

[Quickmoose]

FN2TypeR said:

kambites said:

I can't help for feel that it's too late. IMO the ideal R8 to be RWD only would be the original manual V8.

I'm inclined to agree - and I'm going to be an appalling person and say that I'd probably still buy the four wheel drive model anyway, I drove on the first gen R8's (V8 manual) and it was bloody brilliant in my opinion, for every day duties I think that it was more or less spot on - I'd be a nancy and keep the additional security that it provides, they're still plenty playful and engaging IMO

with more curve it's aged very well too imo...

[Ares]

anonymous said:

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Oh I see, you're being obtuse & pedantic. I missed your comments for constructive conversation

Yes I realise there is no mechanical link. Same as modern performance cars brakes/throttle/steering. Do you consider those to be 'buttons' too?

And regardless, I still have never pushed a button to change gear on an auto. My action has been to pull a lever.

The only push button gear change I have driven was a Westfield race car with a sequential gearbox that had steering wheel buttons to manually fire the lever forward, or back.

[ensignia]

Don't bother arguing with cmoose. One of the most pig ignorant and dogmatic posters on here who doesn't understand why people have differing views to his archaic ones.

[Quickmoose]

ensignia said:

Don't bother arguing with cmoose. One of the most pig ignorant and dogmatic posters on here who doesn't understand why people have differing views to his archaic ones.

I wouldn't call them archaic....
I realise tastes and fashions change and shift, but I for one think cars that provide tactile enjoyment are dying.... auto this and power assisted that, everything by wire and net-connected....nothing convinces me that the new wave of hi tech stuff is 'better' or anywhere near as enjoyable as previous stuff.
Stats and power wars don't really interest me.
Give me something engaging every time. There are a few exceptions...but on the whole...autonomy is coming and most new cars are a step closer to that, and there's nowt there to celebrate for me....

[ensignia]

^ No one's arguing with that. I'm a huge fan of manual gearboxes and deliberately waited an age for a manual car to come up when I bought my last car.

The fact that cmoose would rather have a terrible manual than an excellent auto tells you something's not quite right with him. The term cutting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind...

[Quickmoose]

hmm mebs yeah...
I read that'd he'd rather choose a different car than have a terrible manual or great auto.
I've only used PDK twice in a 991 and enjoyed it.
and the semi-auto thing in an Aventador and enjoyed that too
But thats maybe because they were a 991 and an Aventador
No-one and nothing is convincing me to get shot of my S2000 and it's 'rifle-bolt'....
not for double or triple the budget....

horses for courses

[Ares]

Quickmoose said:

ensignia said:

Don't bother arguing with cmoose. One of the most pig ignorant and dogmatic posters on here who doesn't understand why people have differing views to his archaic ones.

I wouldn't call them archaic....
I realise tastes and fashions change and shift, but I for one think cars that provide tactile enjoyment are dying.... auto this and power assisted that, everything by wire and net-connected....nothing convinces me that the new wave of hi tech stuff is 'better' or anywhere near as enjoyable as previous stuff.
Stats and power wars don't really interest me.
Give me something engaging every time. There are a few exceptions...but on the whole...autonomy is coming and most new cars are a step closer to that, and there's nowt there to celebrate for me....

Whilst I agree, majority of the 'tactile' experiences fall into halcyon memories, and thats before you factor in the size of modern cars.

I drove my old MkII Golf Gti a few years ago. No Power assistance with anything. I remember it as being a nimble, quick, checkable car. It was like piloting a dinosaur. Heavy, unresponsive, sluggish, not nice. Ruined my wistful memories of the car. Compare that with my wife's 2014 Mini Cooper and you realise how much better cars have become all round.

When done right, electronics add to the experience. Issue is, they are often not done right. The fault is not in the technology but in the way it is implemented. Same as with mechanical applications.