RE: Hyundai i30 N: Review
Discussion
culpz said:
kambites said:
I think Hyundai's (and Kias) generally have stronger residuals than VWs, probably because of the longer warranties, so there's no real reason this shouldn't be competitive on lease deals.
Are you sure?https://www.nationwidevehiclecontracts.co.uk/Hyund...
Unless they do special deals for this specific i30N model, like the infamous Golf R deals. I hope they do but i honestly can't see it.
The cooking Golf models are cheaper than the equivalent i30's too.
https://www.nationwidevehiclecontracts.co.uk/Volks...
Those figures look oddly high though, it doesn't take long on google to find 1.0T i30s for <£200 a month. I don't know much about finance though so I've no idea how the deals compare in other ways.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 26th September 12:16
Really do like that! With the Performance Pack it's got all the right ingredients to take a fight against all the other fruity FWD Diff'd up Hot Hatches which tbf that's what it's aimed at.
It would be interesting to see a mega Group Test on Road and Track.
I don't see it as a Focus ST/Golf GTi competitor at all, unless it's the 'base' i30 N.
It would be interesting to see a mega Group Test on Road and Track.
I don't see it as a Focus ST/Golf GTi competitor at all, unless it's the 'base' i30 N.
kambites said:
I said that they should be able to be competitive, not that they are.
Those figures look oddly high though, it doesn't take long on google to find 1.0T i30s for <£200 a month. I don't know much about finance though so I've no idea how the deals compare in other ways.
But looking at the prices as such, there's no real indication that they should be. That was my point.Those figures look oddly high though, it doesn't take long on google to find 1.0T i30s for <£200 a month. I don't know much about finance though so I've no idea how the deals compare in other ways.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 26th September 12:16
Like i said, maybe for this performance variant they will offer a batch of cheap deals. Like many though, they will be offered in limited numbers, no doubt.
For reference, the KIA Cee'd and Pro Cee'd GT deals were pretty expensive aswell.
I quite like it, but I don't think I could spend money on it.
The current "big wheels, sit it a bit lower, put on some bigger bumpers" trend doesn't really do it for me - I feel like I had cars like this 10 years ago, and they weren't that interesting then either.. Where is the unique (from the rest of the range) bodywork? It's not a criticism of just this car, it's of pretty much most modern hatches. I think the Type R is absolutely horrid, but at least they've tacked on so much tat that you aren't really aware of the bodywork!
And I agree on drive modes - they're a bit of a joke. Nobody knows what settings they actually want, they just know when they have a good setup - I don't understand why people would want to do the work themselves... I want talented engineers to sort my car, not me! I can't even get my seat in a good position! And surely every setting has to be a compromise of some sort? Seeing as the fixed mechanical bits have to operate in a wide window to accommodate the whims of a clueless driver... I dunno, it doesn't work for me. And nobody will ever take their Hyundai on a track day surely.. Save the weight, save the complexity for me.
And I still don't understand why this class of car is the pick for fast hatches! Why isn't the Ford Focus RS not the Fiesta RS? I seriously don't get it. With hatches, unlike saloons, unlike sports cars, bigger has to be faster. Bonkers. Perhaps slightly off topic!
The current "big wheels, sit it a bit lower, put on some bigger bumpers" trend doesn't really do it for me - I feel like I had cars like this 10 years ago, and they weren't that interesting then either.. Where is the unique (from the rest of the range) bodywork? It's not a criticism of just this car, it's of pretty much most modern hatches. I think the Type R is absolutely horrid, but at least they've tacked on so much tat that you aren't really aware of the bodywork!
And I agree on drive modes - they're a bit of a joke. Nobody knows what settings they actually want, they just know when they have a good setup - I don't understand why people would want to do the work themselves... I want talented engineers to sort my car, not me! I can't even get my seat in a good position! And surely every setting has to be a compromise of some sort? Seeing as the fixed mechanical bits have to operate in a wide window to accommodate the whims of a clueless driver... I dunno, it doesn't work for me. And nobody will ever take their Hyundai on a track day surely.. Save the weight, save the complexity for me.
And I still don't understand why this class of car is the pick for fast hatches! Why isn't the Ford Focus RS not the Fiesta RS? I seriously don't get it. With hatches, unlike saloons, unlike sports cars, bigger has to be faster. Bonkers. Perhaps slightly off topic!
kambites said:
Can you really get £10k off a Golf R?
Yes I've seen them for £27kI really like this car, damn good effort! Shame they've decided to go with the majority and 5 door only as there's far fewer 3 door cars in this sector to compare to now. Would I buy one? I always said no previously, I'm afraid it is badge snobbery, but I think I might you know, it's certainly different enough to warrant it
culpz said:
kambites said:
JB! said:
25K is pretty close to the "drive the deal" Golf R prices...
Can you really get £10k off a Golf R? That makes it £28,285 with the discount. So, in short, no.
JB! said:
seen them hit 27k, so why have a 2wd Hyundai for 25 when you can have Awd Golf R for not much more?!
I think it's rash to assume that people will be paying list for the Hyundai, although I can't see there being discounts that big. Personally I'd rather have FWD than front biased AWD in a hot hatch, so the natural comparison for me would be with the Golf GTi. I've no idea how much they cost in practice though.
JB! said:
culpz said:
kambites said:
JB! said:
25K is pretty close to the "drive the deal" Golf R prices...
Can you really get £10k off a Golf R? That makes it £28,285 with the discount. So, in short, no.
What i'm saying is, lets compared a discounted car to another discounted car, just to keep it fair and equal.
Something that Hyundai have to be very careful of is the PCP pricing. I looked at the quick C’eed a little while ago from Hyundai’s Kia brethren and the PCP was awful, such a low GFV and sky high monthly payments as a result.
My Cupra 290 proved loads cheaper on a monthly basis than the slower 1.6T Kia.
Hyundai needs to get that bit right too and I’m not sure that they have to date...
My Cupra 290 proved loads cheaper on a monthly basis than the slower 1.6T Kia.
Hyundai needs to get that bit right too and I’m not sure that they have to date...
MorganP104 said:
Turbobanana said:
The Getz was OK. Some of their earlier stuff was just miserable (Pony, anyone?). They've been building cars since 1967 - the first was a licence-built Cortina MkII.
PH said: "as a first time effort the i30 N isn't far off a triumph": older car enthusiasts will be falling out of their bathchairs at this.
To be fair to the article's author, the suggestion is that "first time effort" refers to Hyundai making a hot hatch specifically, not cars in general.PH said: "as a first time effort the i30 N isn't far off a triumph": older car enthusiasts will be falling out of their bathchairs at this.
Nice to see a car that is dynamically sorted from the factory.
All the possible settings I think are nice, we all have different roads and preferences, so then the 'experts' can make their own mix that works best. Instant fine-tuning if you like. That said, if in doubt, choose the middle setting
Ref to the Cupra damping comment - blame the leaden factory 19" wheels. I dropped 5kg from each going to OZ Ultraleggera 18", and wheel control, damping, improved massively. Also did some other stuff I found necessary as a driving enthusiast. So as I started off, good to see cars that are sorted from the start!
All the possible settings I think are nice, we all have different roads and preferences, so then the 'experts' can make their own mix that works best. Instant fine-tuning if you like. That said, if in doubt, choose the middle setting
Ref to the Cupra damping comment - blame the leaden factory 19" wheels. I dropped 5kg from each going to OZ Ultraleggera 18", and wheel control, damping, improved massively. Also did some other stuff I found necessary as a driving enthusiast. So as I started off, good to see cars that are sorted from the start!
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