MOT exemption for classics ?
Discussion
skyrover said:
rxe said:
In a few years time, my main tow vehicle will be 40. Its a 4.6 litre Land Rover Defender, regularly belting across the country with a tractor or similar on an 18 foot twin axle trailer. I'm slightly surprised that anyone would think this did not need an MOT.
The oldest "Defenders" date from 1983, which is still a good 6 years away from MOT exemption. They are also fitted with anemic engines and 4 speed gearboxes... So will have needed a new drivetrain and probably new chassis by now.
NDA said:
Isn't there the hidden risk of Q plates lurking within this change of rules?
You have to declare annually that the car is 'original', not altered from how it left the factory. If it's not original a Q plate will be applied - and it's value will be decreased I would think.
No, read the draft test documentation - very, very different from the Q-plate requirements.You have to declare annually that the car is 'original', not altered from how it left the factory. If it's not original a Q plate will be applied - and it's value will be decreased I would think.
Q plates are applied to a range of vehicles, including those that have been 'radically altered from their original specification'. The new MOT rules for vehicles of historic interest require that declarations are made about alterations from the original specification.
It is not a huge leap to think that if such declarations are made that a Q plate might be applied.
It is not a huge leap to think that if such declarations are made that a Q plate might be applied.
NDA said:
It is not a huge leap to think that if such declarations are made that a Q plate might be applied.
Yes, it really is...Rules for a Q-plate on a modified car: (Unchanged for decades)
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-...
Draft MOT exemption test:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Conspiracy theories help nobody.
texaxile said:
Same here, my Lancer Turbo is 37 years old, 170+bhp plus RWD in 1070kg weight needs some kind of suspension and brake checking, not to mention corrosion associated with classic Japs of that era.
I've already spoken to my MOT bloke and he agreed that he will carry out a 30 point check on the vehicle when it is no longer needing an MOT for the cost of 1 hours labour and will provide a full report of anything needing attention. Might be more expensive than the current MOT cost but I'll have something to show potential buyers and peace of mind for myself.
some might say 1 hour is excessive when an MOT is only 45 mins, but if you take your car seriously then an extra 15 mins to go through everything isn't too much on an old car.
The problem is that there will be a few people who abuse the situation for their own benefit when selling a car.
Why? Just get it MOTd as usual. Nothing to stop you doing that.I've already spoken to my MOT bloke and he agreed that he will carry out a 30 point check on the vehicle when it is no longer needing an MOT for the cost of 1 hours labour and will provide a full report of anything needing attention. Might be more expensive than the current MOT cost but I'll have something to show potential buyers and peace of mind for myself.
some might say 1 hour is excessive when an MOT is only 45 mins, but if you take your car seriously then an extra 15 mins to go through everything isn't too much on an old car.
The problem is that there will be a few people who abuse the situation for their own benefit when selling a car.
Edited by texaxile on Sunday 1st October 22:22
TooMany2cvs said:
Conspiracy theories help nobody.
Not a conspiracy theory - there is a lot of discussion about these proposals leading to some cars being issued with a Q plate. The rules have not substantially changed in respect of the 8 point system which has been in place since 1988. However the new proposals will force these rules to be considered more closely and perhaps enforced more rigorously. Some commentary here:
http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1...
My original comment was 'is there a risk?' I, and many others, think there is.
NDA said:
Not a conspiracy theory - there is a lot of discussion about these proposals leading to some cars being issued with a Q plate. The rules have not substantially changed in respect of the 8 point system which has been in place since 1988. However the new proposals will force these rules to be considered more closely and perhaps enforced more rigorously.
So, basically, it's nothing whatsoever to do with the change in the rules - it's just that some people who are already breaking the long-standing law are worried they might now be caught, because they're no longer quite so far under the radar?My heart bleeds.
TooMany2cvs said:
So, basically, it's nothing whatsoever to do with the change in the rules - it's just that some people who are already breaking the long-standing law are worried they might now be caught, because they're no longer quite so far under the radar?
My heart bleeds.
It is an unintended consequence to the change in rules - it is therefore connected. I am told there will be a new box to tick in the MOT document - but I don't know this for sure.My heart bleeds.
I would not be quite so harsh to say 'my heart bleeds' on let's say, a vintage car that has, over the years, been restored and improved and now might be deemed to have been 'altered' from the original specification and can no longer use it's original registration.
NDA said:
I would not be quite so harsh to say 'my heart bleeds' on let's say, a vintage car that has, over the years, been restored and improved and now might be deemed to have been 'altered' from the original specification and can no longer use it's original registration.
Don't forget that mods pre 1988 are ignored.jeremyh1 said:
The type of people that do not care about safety and vehicle structure do not drive vehicles over 40 years old !
REALLY ?If you cared about your safety you'd be in a new 5 star NCAP car !
My Dad has sold classics for 40+ years, many in the sub £2k category there is plenty of utter dross about with dubious MOTs as it is.
Gareth79 said:
J4CKO said:
diddles said:
What are the implications with transferring number plates from old cars with no MOT's? Assuming you have the reg documents for the car I wonder whether this will now be achievable?
Cant see that making a difference now, as long as you have the V5, am guessing they must have removed the MOT stipulation ?Regardless, I imagine you'd just need to take the vehicle for an MOT, even though it's not legally required.
Edited by Gareth79 on Sunday 1st October 23:08
My Father recently died and I found the V5 (and keys) for a car that was scrapped over 30 years ago but obviously never recorded as such, in fact it still shows on the online tax/mot check as 'tax due'.
I would try to inform them but I imagine it would just cause me grief of some kind? so there's likely thousands of others in a similar limbo?
Getting back on topic, I've got an old motorbike that is getting close to 40 years old, it will be great to save a few quid/not need to bother with the MOT test. I do all my own bike maintenance and my bikes are kept in immaculate, roadworthy condition and never an MOT problem, so no worries there.
I guess the assumption is that most owners of classics are like me and maintain their vehicles to the highest standard and I would say that is probably mainly true for bikes, partly because it's much easier to fix/spot problems than with a car?
But I would think the majority of the 'don't care about car's condition' drivers are probably not driving cars quite that old, rather just a 10 year old s
tbox bought for beer money... catso said:
I'm surprised DVLA don't try to 'clean up' the database of old vehicles, maybe write to last known keeper?
They have done. Whenever they've issued new-style V5Cs (a few times in the last decade or so), they've only done so to those cars that have been taxed or SORNed in the last year or two. If you've got something that hasn't been on the road since before SORN in 98, so didn't need SORNing, then you've needed to request a new-style V5C, and they've (eventually) removed the old one from the record.catso said:
My Father recently died and I found the V5 (and keys) for a car that was scrapped over 30 years ago but obviously never recorded as such, in fact it still shows on the online tax/mot check as 'tax due'.
What style of V5/V5C is it? I wonder if he decided to request the new-style one...
I watched a few episodes of "Car SOS", quite good petrolhead telly, bit like Wheeler Dealers really, anyway there were cars on there that were too far good, a Fiat 500 that was like Swiss Cheese once dipped and some old Zodiac thing, that on the face of it looked ok and had been through quite a bit of work, problem was it was of the enthusiastic amateur standard, pop rivets and random bits of metal, bit of mastic and lashings of underseal.
They do things to a seemingly decent standard on this programme (some dont) so there was quite a bit of rework required as the B post wasnt really attached to the car, now an MOT tester cant see everything, but they can spot bodges and dangerous repairs better than your average owner, no vested interest in saving time or money.
That car could have easily just been put back on the road without any kind of check, it would most likely be ok, and even in an accident they werent very safe anyway, but an unsound one would be worse, its really the cracked tyres, leaking exhausts and ropey brakes that concern me, but there is scope for some right deathtraps to be spirited back onto the road with impunity.
I would urge anyone buying a >40 year old car in the future to insist on a current MOT, that needs to be part of the criteria for purchasing, an unwritten rule.
They do things to a seemingly decent standard on this programme (some dont) so there was quite a bit of rework required as the B post wasnt really attached to the car, now an MOT tester cant see everything, but they can spot bodges and dangerous repairs better than your average owner, no vested interest in saving time or money.
That car could have easily just been put back on the road without any kind of check, it would most likely be ok, and even in an accident they werent very safe anyway, but an unsound one would be worse, its really the cracked tyres, leaking exhausts and ropey brakes that concern me, but there is scope for some right deathtraps to be spirited back onto the road with impunity.
I would urge anyone buying a >40 year old car in the future to insist on a current MOT, that needs to be part of the criteria for purchasing, an unwritten rule.
This piece of news escaped me so thank you for highlighting....
This news has a one unintended consequence ... if you keep your classic abroad there's now no need to bring it back every year for an mot...
Whilst there is no legal requirement now,..I think, I would still be inclined to get things checked over every couple of years anyway...
Brings interesting challenges to the classic market too...would you buy anything without an mot equivalent?
This news has a one unintended consequence ... if you keep your classic abroad there's now no need to bring it back every year for an mot...
Whilst there is no legal requirement now,..I think, I would still be inclined to get things checked over every couple of years anyway...
Brings interesting challenges to the classic market too...would you buy anything without an mot equivalent?
TooMany2cvs said:
What style of V5/V5C is it? I wonder if he decided to request the new-style one...
AFAIK it's the original one supplied when the car was new in 1978 - not sure if it's actually called a 'V5' or something else though? IIRC it's just a one page document. Car was written off in 1985 (by me, actually
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