RE: Jaguar's 400hp electric SUV unveiled

RE: Jaguar's 400hp electric SUV unveiled

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kambites

67,683 posts

223 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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aston addict said:
why are electric cars so ugly?
Because you (and I) are used to looking at cars which have evolved over the last 100+ years to house an internal combustion and hence have been conditioned to find them attractive. I suspect my daughter's children's generation will think cars with a bonnet big enough to house an engine look stupid and ungainly.

aston addict

429 posts

160 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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kambites said:
aston addict said:
why are electric cars so ugly?
Because you (and I) are used to looking at cars which have evolved over the last 100+ years to house an internal combustion and hence have been conditioned to find them attractive.
Think you've hit the nail on the head there...

There are many Teslas where I live, all are ugly and most of them driven in an utterly moronic manner.

Wills2

23,138 posts

177 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Fabulous and the first ev I've seen that I'd want to buy.


Plug Life

978 posts

93 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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kambites said:
Because you (and I) are used to looking at cars which have evolved over the last 100+ years to house an internal combustion and hence have been conditioned to find them attractive. I suspect my daughter's children's generation will think cars with a bonnet big enough to house an engine look stupid and ungainly.
Actually the I-Pace hasn't got shorter nose than the E-Pace... The Model S also has a quite conventional nose like a Mazda sedan. You can do lot of different things on a skateboard platform.

kambites

67,683 posts

223 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Plug Life said:
Actually the I-Pace hasn't got shorter nose than the E-Pace... The Model S also has a quite conventional nose like a Mazda sedan. You can do lot of different things on a skateboard platform.
To me the Model-S looks like an ICE car to a fault. It could be a foot shorter with minimal loss of storage space and no loss of interior space if they hadn't tried to make it look like every other limo out there.

The i-Pace (and model-3) look decidedly stubby to my eyes, but that's very much a subjective thing rather than an objective one. I think all SUVs look utterly foul anyway.

tyrrell

1,672 posts

210 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Looks stunning can’t wait to get mine smile

mwstewart

7,690 posts

190 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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That looks very nice. Say ~250 mile range in real use and it's not a bad proposition - getting there! I'd infinitely prefer this to something that came from Tesla. The interior looks very technical without being too gauche.

Tuna

19,930 posts

286 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Mildly amusing that some Tesla enthusiasts were asserting that the mainstream manufacturers would take years to catch up with this new fangled electric technology.

Seems like a thoroughly credible offering.

CDP

7,468 posts

256 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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David87 said:
A very impressive package, actually. Bloody well done to JLR for this. Makes the Model X look a bit silly.

The only downside is the charging situation - Tesla have a monopoly with their installs already all over many motorway service stations, so what will everyone else do?
Isn't the charger for the jaguar the same as for the other European manufacturers while iirc Tesla have a proprietary system?

If that's the case the real question is what will Tesla owners do?

I expect the likes of BP, esso, tesco, Starbucks will have public charging stations fairly quickly. Especially as you can trap your victim (sorry customer) on your premises for 45 minutes.

Plug Life

978 posts

93 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Tuna said:
Mildly amusing that some Tesla enthusiasts were asserting that the mainstream manufacturers would take years to catch up with this new fangled electric technology.

Seems like a thoroughly credible offering.
It's obvious that mainstream manufacturers can build better cars than Tesla after they got the EV basics right (skateboard platform, battery pack thermal management, over-the-air software updates, fly-by-wire controls for autonomous driving etc.), the question is how can they secure the battery supply from Asia and having a high-speed charging network for long range EVs.

Edited by Plug Life on Thursday 1st March 20:32

nwates

376 posts

186 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Wins the E race a winner

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

125 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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I’m not interested unless they do an lpg version in case I need to drive 700 miles in one go.

Plug Life

978 posts

93 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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austinsmirk said:
I’m not interested unless they do an lpg version in case I need to drive 700 miles in one go.
Well, you can buy one now and take it to Yorkshire's top electrical engineer for a conversion...

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

256 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Tuna said:
Mildly amusing that some Tesla enthusiasts were asserting that the mainstream manufacturers would take years to catch up with this new fangled electric technology.

Seems like a thoroughly credible offering.
Model X was launched in 2015 this is the first competitor 3 years later, another (etron) later in the year otherwise 2019 or 2020 for much else. I'd say thats years.

Regardless its the battery production/supply that will limit sales over anything else probably.


CDP said:
Isn't the charger for the jaguar the same as for the other European manufacturers while iirc Tesla have a proprietary system?
If that's the case the real question is what will Tesla owners do?
Tesla has their own charging solution but they all come with a CCS adapter so they can use any CCS charger the jag can.

David87

6,674 posts

214 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Plug Life said:
What do you mean by monopoly? Currently only they have 100kW+ chargers but anybody can build new chargers.
I just mean that Tesla already has a big presence at many motorway service stations. Where will all the other manufacturers put their own particular brand of charging station?

Plug Life

978 posts

93 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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RobDickinson said:
Tesla has their own charging solution but they all come with a CCS adapter so they can use any CCS charger the jag can.
Actually Tesla has a 50kW CHAdeMO adapter, not CCS. The current CCS standard doesn't even allow adapters.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

256 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Plug Life said:
RobDickinson said:
Tesla has their own charging solution but they all come with a CCS adapter so they can use any CCS charger the jag can.
Actually Tesla has a 50kW CHAdeMO adapter, not CCS. The current CCS standard doesn't even allow adapters.
Oh true, someone (US based) told me the other way.

Condi

17,336 posts

173 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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David87 said:
Plug Life said:
What do you mean by monopoly? Currently only they have 100kW+ chargers but anybody can build new chargers.
I just mean that Tesla already has a big presence at many motorway service stations. Where will all the other manufacturers put their own particular brand of charging station?
My understanding was that due to monopoly concerns Tesla had to share their motorway chargers.

thesyn

540 posts

183 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Can't help it but I rather like that!

Tuna

19,930 posts

286 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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David87 said:
I just mean that Tesla already has a big presence at many motorway service stations. Where will all the other manufacturers put their own particular brand of charging station?
Do you really think motorway service stations are going to turn away customers wealthy enough to purchase a £60,000 electric car? The only requirement is a spare parking space and a (relatively cheap) socket. Telsa doesn't have the monopoly on that.