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85Carrera said:
Dale487 said:
Parking sensors - makes parking at your destination just that little bit easier, because you're bound to arrive at the hotel & there be only one awkward parking space left
You do know it's possible to park using your mirrors, don't you?Edited by Dale487 on Wednesday 11th April 16:55
Avoids the irritating beeping too ...
I’m think that even on a 911 parking sensors make sense - excuse than pun. They probably cost less to spec that a typical excess on the relevant model & save an expensive claim.
Edited by Dale487 on Thursday 12th April 07:41
I’ve never owned a lightweight sports car, but if I did, assuming it was a tin top I could happily live without everything except A/C.
It’s easily worth the small weight gain for not having to put up with misted windows in the winter, and makes life so much more comfortable in the summer. Nothing more unpleasant when wearing a helmet and overalls whilst physically working hard on a track day than being too hot.
It’s easily worth the small weight gain for not having to put up with misted windows in the winter, and makes life so much more comfortable in the summer. Nothing more unpleasant when wearing a helmet and overalls whilst physically working hard on a track day than being too hot.
Mound Dawg said:
99dndd said:
I don't get the Golf Clubsport S.
Why take a hatchback famed for its rear legroom then remove the rear seats?
You could put the same drivetrain in a 2 seater body and instantly make something better.
Nail/head.Why take a hatchback famed for its rear legroom then remove the rear seats?
You could put the same drivetrain in a 2 seater body and instantly make something better.
First option = massive development costs for V smalll returns (excepting the kudos).
Second option = what we got.
...and all the time balancing Audi & Porsche in the heirarchy; basically, except maybe as a teaser in the future, VW ain't upsetting any applecarts in launching the 'perfect' two-seater at top GTi prices. IMHO
Well I do get the clubsport s. I own one and the one I own has no AC. Do I miss it not a fecking jot. And as for lack of back seats. If you need to question where a manufacturer can Easley save weight and then criticise it then don’t mention it. You clearly don’t understand it’s ethos. This will be my third stripped out hot hatch and man I love them. R26.r , Trophy R and now clubsport S. all absolutely amazing cars. I’d have kept the Renault is the build quality and service was as good as VWs. Massive thanks to these manufacturers for doing these projects.
Although it's not for me I completely get the clubsport. Will it appeal to someone that want a focused daily driver like an m3 that they will be putting the miles on, probably not. But to hot hatch and VW enthusiasts it's very desirable.
I'm in the lighter is better category. I like simplicity and lightness because it gives you the best driving expirience.
I own a Hawkeye Spec C Impreza which is essentially a very focussed, stripped out version and absolutely adore it. It's set up for fast road and I'm happier blasting down the local back roads on route than sitting listening to the radio with the Aircon on. So much so both of these will be stripped out soon as I never use them.
Theres a performance model out there for wherever you sit as an enthusiast driver.
I'm in the lighter is better category. I like simplicity and lightness because it gives you the best driving expirience.
I own a Hawkeye Spec C Impreza which is essentially a very focussed, stripped out version and absolutely adore it. It's set up for fast road and I'm happier blasting down the local back roads on route than sitting listening to the radio with the Aircon on. So much so both of these will be stripped out soon as I never use them.
Theres a performance model out there for wherever you sit as an enthusiast driver.
t -- it's a lightweight special!2Btoo said:
99dndd said:
I don't get the Golf Clubsport S.
Why take a hatchback famed for its rear legroom then remove the rear seats?
You could put the same drivetrain in a 2 seater body and instantly make something better.
I'll await the flaming but that's essentially what they did with the early TT's, and their loveliness went no further than their appearance. Why take a hatchback famed for its rear legroom then remove the rear seats?
You could put the same drivetrain in a 2 seater body and instantly make something better.
Your question is a good one though. If you are going to do away with all the things that make a FWD hatchback good (decent boot, four doors, four seats etc) then why stick with the highly compromised drivetrain layout? Two seats and no boot opens the doors to RWD, a much better weight layout and proper handling.
No each has their place! And as for highly compromised drivetrain. Well the Mini layout is no more than a backwards 911, and actually very well suited for FWD. Within the FWD limitations it is highly effective, just ask all the ring visitors with rwd that get left standing completely by the regulars blasting past in their mildly modded hot hatches without rear seat. At a price point sometimes only fractions of the more expensive rwd machinery buy where other resources/talent/experience is/are lacking.. ..
Edited by Onehp on Thursday 12th April 08:34
Things like air con might only be 20kgs but add that to seats and other things and the savings add up. Can most people notice -80kgs in a 1400kg hot hatch / 1600 kg M4 on the road? Probs not. Can you notice -20 kgs in a lightweight car of around 800kgs? Yes, so the effect of something like -80kgs is massive.
Its context. A light weight BMW M4 does not mean its a light weight car.
Its context. A light weight BMW M4 does not mean its a light weight car.
And to add to the topic: in reality it is just as much about staying out of the options list. Panoramic roofs, full electric seats, 27 speaker stereos... Not having them compared to what the 'market' considers 'must have' options, depending on model, helps a lot more than deleting a infotainment screen and 4 cardboard speakers, so to speak...
My take on the Clubsport S with AC and the screen: I added a rear seat and lengthened the rear for more boot space, 590l. It's called the Cupra ST Performance, addded some tweaks to put it dynamically closer to the Clubsport S. Weight penalty: about 100kg only. I consider it a lightweight version of the fast estates that cost 3 times+ more and are 400kg+ heavier... It such respect, the mundane fwd platform is pretty brilliant, although very common and utterly unsexy...
My take on the Clubsport S with AC and the screen: I added a rear seat and lengthened the rear for more boot space, 590l. It's called the Cupra ST Performance, addded some tweaks to put it dynamically closer to the Clubsport S. Weight penalty: about 100kg only. I consider it a lightweight version of the fast estates that cost 3 times+ more and are 400kg+ heavier... It such respect, the mundane fwd platform is pretty brilliant, although very common and utterly unsexy...
Edited by Onehp on Thursday 12th April 09:52
I've always fancied daily-driving something silly. One of the lottery cars would be a 991 GT3 RS. I'm not sure if it'd be one of those things that's cool for the first few weeks and would simply never speak of it ever again. I mean, sure, it's full-on, but i'm not sure i'd call it completely spartan inside.
I'm sure a standard GT3 is enough hardcore for most. Even then, that's still a lightweight special. The RS just takes it a few notches further. My dad's got a 997 Carrera S Tiptronic and that's a lovely thing to drive and was also the first car i've ever driven on track. It feels great on the circuit and on the road.
I used to be a less is more kinda guy. However, i've had to realise that my commute really doesn't take advantage of something raw and powerful. I do around 8k miles pa in mainly stop start city/town driving. My current Scirocco is probably my best compromise so far of comfort but enjoyable to drive.
I think this article is pretty accurate, on the whole. Less weight is great. That doesn't always have to translate to being a complete analogue experience, which is not always favourable, unless in the right circumstances. We can still be enthusiasts and enjoy a bit of comfort every now and again!
We're all different and enjoy different types of driving experiences that certain cars can give us. I feel like i can adapt to anything and would still like to see how the other side lives. For me though, right now, i'm trying to keep a balance of one car to do as much as possible, which does work me.
I'm sure a standard GT3 is enough hardcore for most. Even then, that's still a lightweight special. The RS just takes it a few notches further. My dad's got a 997 Carrera S Tiptronic and that's a lovely thing to drive and was also the first car i've ever driven on track. It feels great on the circuit and on the road.
I used to be a less is more kinda guy. However, i've had to realise that my commute really doesn't take advantage of something raw and powerful. I do around 8k miles pa in mainly stop start city/town driving. My current Scirocco is probably my best compromise so far of comfort but enjoyable to drive.
I think this article is pretty accurate, on the whole. Less weight is great. That doesn't always have to translate to being a complete analogue experience, which is not always favourable, unless in the right circumstances. We can still be enthusiasts and enjoy a bit of comfort every now and again!
We're all different and enjoy different types of driving experiences that certain cars can give us. I feel like i can adapt to anything and would still like to see how the other side lives. For me though, right now, i'm trying to keep a balance of one car to do as much as possible, which does work me.
Edited by culpz on Thursday 12th April 09:29
st33ly said:
Well I do get the clubsport s. I own one and the one I own has no AC. Do I miss it not a fecking jot. And as for lack of back seats. If you need to question where a manufacturer can Easley save weight and then criticise it then don’t mention it. You clearly don’t understand it’s ethos. This will be my third stripped out hot hatch and man I love them. R26.r , Trophy R and now clubsport S. all absolutely amazing cars. I’d have kept the Renault is the build quality and service was as good as VWs. Massive thanks to these manufacturers for doing these projects.
That's interesting, thanks for getting involved. Did you consciously spec it without AC or was that the one you were offered? Bravo for owning all three too, they're all bloody brilliant 
99dndd said:
I don't get the Golf Clubsport S.
Why take a hatchback famed for its rear legroom then remove the rear seats?
You could put the same drivetrain in a 2 seater body and instantly make something better.
I don't think the Golf is famed for it's rear legroom....Why take a hatchback famed for its rear legroom then remove the rear seats?
You could put the same drivetrain in a 2 seater body and instantly make something better.
I totally agree with the article by the way.
I myself have a semi-stripped out car but it's still carpetted, has doorcards, decent audio setup and air con etc.
Certainly in my case I could lose more weight from myself than I could feasibly chop off the car!
xjay1337 said:
99dndd said:
I don't get the Golf Clubsport S.
Why take a hatchback famed for its rear legroom then remove the rear seats?
You could put the same drivetrain in a 2 seater body and instantly make something better.
I don't think the Golf is famed for it's rear legroom....Why take a hatchback famed for its rear legroom then remove the rear seats?
You could put the same drivetrain in a 2 seater body and instantly make something better.
xjay1337 said:
99dndd said:
I don't get the Golf Clubsport S.
Why take a hatchback famed for its rear legroom then remove the rear seats?
You could put the same drivetrain in a 2 seater body and instantly make something better.
I don't think the Golf is famed for it's rear legroom....Why take a hatchback famed for its rear legroom then remove the rear seats?
You could put the same drivetrain in a 2 seater body and instantly make something better.
I totally agree with the article by the way.
I myself have a semi-stripped out car but it's still carpetted, has doorcards, decent audio setup and air con etc.
Certainly in my case I could lose more weight from myself than I could feasibly chop off the car!
Dale487 said:
The Golf isn't famed like say a Skoda Superb or an Audi A8 but it has much better leg room behind a 6'2" driver than a significant number of cars in class (Astra, Focus) plus some similar sized SUVs - I should know I put plenty of leg work in checking that a child seat would fit without compromising my driving position. Shame there is no GTI estate (the hatch boot is just to small currently).
There is a Golf R estate.Also if the poster above wants a Golf with rear seats then buy the GTI, R or Clubsport.
DanielSan said:
Why not use the air con in your daily for heat/de-misting faster as well as keeping cool? It does both, I’m always amazed how many people only use it for keeping cool in summer...
'Cos it's always parked in an underground parking which also contains a big heating system for the business units in the same building so it never drops below 10 C.It takes a particularly bad shower for me to have to resort to the A/C to keep windows clean when on the road, and even that's mostly because it's an old warhorse with half a million kilomerers on the odo, that tends to accumulate a bit of damp on the right hand side rear passenger floor in prolonged bouts of foul weather. But I admit, it does happen a couple of times a year... Enough to justify the upkeep and complication? As far as I'm concerned, the moment my A/C goes, it goes...
The heater blower is another matter. I've had that fail and it's a total bugger to cope with. :/
Dale487 said:
The Golf isn't famed like say a Skoda Superb or an Audi A8 but it has much better leg room behind a 6'2" driver than a significant number of cars in class (Astra, Focus) plus some similar sized SUVs - I should know I put plenty of leg work in checking that a child seat would fit without compromising my driving position. Shame there is no GTI estate (the hatch boot is just to small currently).
Dislike your Leon ST that much (not to get a Cupra?)? Onehp said:
Dale487 said:
The Golf isn't famed like say a Skoda Superb or an Audi A8 but it has much better leg room behind a 6'2" driver than a significant number of cars in class (Astra, Focus) plus some similar sized SUVs - I should know I put plenty of leg work in checking that a child seat would fit without compromising my driving position. Shame there is no GTI estate (the hatch boot is just to small currently).
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