RE: Toyota Celica GT-Four: PH Used Buying Guide
Discussion
eybic said:
Guvernator said:
Never really understood why these never got the same love as the Subaru Impreza's and Mitsubshi Evo's, despite having similar rally heritage. Decent versions of the former two seem to be rapidly moving into collector territory, see the £50k Impreza P1 and 6 figure 22b's as an example and yet even the most rarest and most hardcore WRC version of the Celica can still be had for relative peanuts. What gives?
This version of the GT-Four didn't get too much exposure as Toyota got banned for cheating with it ( inlet restrictor opened up when the head was bolted on) in it's first year in the WRC so in terms of rally success and TV exposure it was very minimal.Guvernator said:
Never really understood why these never got the same love as the Subaru Impreza's and Mitsubshi Evo's, despite having similar rally heritage. Decent versions of the former two seem to be rapidly moving into collector territory, see the £50k Impreza P1 and 6 figure 22b's as an example and yet even the most rarest and most hardcore WRC version of the Celica can still be had for relative peanuts. What gives?
True - https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/toyota-celica-gt4...Been rattling on about these being a conspicuous bargain, relative to their peers for ages, Nothing wrong with an Escort Cosworth or Integrale but are they really worth ten times more ?
These havent ascended to the rarefied realm of those cars yet, still got a slight whiff of Baz-tastic 90s Jap mod scene, massive smokey "Zorsts", big wheels and the like, a standard one in good nick is a fine thing, and modded ones can be returned to something nearer original if you want.
Much as I love watching Project Binky develop, why would that be the best use of one of these, its a good use of that, broken one but seems a rather dismissive comment about a pretty significant car.
I should buy one but I need a daily and dont have the time, space or cash for another car.
These havent ascended to the rarefied realm of those cars yet, still got a slight whiff of Baz-tastic 90s Jap mod scene, massive smokey "Zorsts", big wheels and the like, a standard one in good nick is a fine thing, and modded ones can be returned to something nearer original if you want.
Much as I love watching Project Binky develop, why would that be the best use of one of these, its a good use of that, broken one but seems a rather dismissive comment about a pretty significant car.
I should buy one but I need a daily and dont have the time, space or cash for another car.
JDM GT4 made 255bhp actually as it had a better intercooler than the MR2 Turbo but was based on 100 RON fuel. Their good for 320bhp before changing internals and the standard turbo was noticeably smaller than the later evo & scoobies that's how they pulled the 280bhp.
Edited by dufunk on Thursday 2nd August 11:22
SonicShadow said:
That's a full spec Grp A car with some VERY trick (read expensive bits on it). Not the same as a standard GT-Four, the best examples of which you can still pick up for less than £10k as opposed to a £50k bog standard Impreza P1.Guvernator said:
SonicShadow said:
That's a full spec Grp A car with some VERY trick (read expensive bits on it). Not the same as a standard GT-Four, the best examples of which you can still pick up for less than £10k as opposed to a £50k bog standard Impreza P1.Group A GT4 *could* be road legal in the UK too.
dufunk said:
JDM GT4 made 255bhp actually as it had a better intercooler than the MR2 Turbo but was based on 100 RON fuel. Their good for 320bhp before changing internals and the standard turbo was noticeably smaller than the later evo & scoobies that's how they pulled the 280bhp.
PS. Slightly different to BHP!Edited by dufunk on Thursday 2nd August 11:22
Guvernator said:
SonicShadow said:
That's a full spec Grp A car with some VERY trick (read expensive bits on it). Not the same as a standard GT-Four, the best examples of which you can still pick up for less than £10k as opposed to a £50k bog standard Impreza P1.A minty ST205 is now over £10k even for a Jap import.
Part of me thinks that the reputation for this car was sullied by the cheating, the rest by the exorbitant pricing when new. £10k more than the Impreza? You'd have to be really keen to buy it.
Edited by Krikkit on Thursday 2nd August 11:41
A mate of mine had one and I liked it when I had a go in it. My tuned S14 200sx always pulled away from him, so he started to fettle it and we had some really good fun after that.
Good memories and I miss having a Jap car because they've always had a strong following, and there are plenty of meets/shows to go to.
Good memories and I miss having a Jap car because they've always had a strong following, and there are plenty of meets/shows to go to.
Test driver said:
rodericb said:
You forgot to say that they'd be shown a clear set of heels by a diesel Golf at the traffic light Grand Prix.
I can’t stand diesels or traffic light Grand Prix. Toyota seem to overprice and under deliver here. greenarrow said:
Test driver said:
rodericb said:
You forgot to say that they'd be shown a clear set of heels by a diesel Golf at the traffic light Grand Prix.
I can’t stand diesels or traffic light Grand Prix. Toyota seem to overprice and under deliver here. SonicShadow said:
Test driver said:
Disappointing power figures and potential money pit. Oil change at 4500 miles?! For a 2.0 4pot turbo only making 239bhp? Nice cars though they are not worth the money imo.
239bhp was very competitive in 1994. Lets put that into context. Also, the Japanese market version made ~250bhp.Edited by Test driver on Thursday 2nd August 09:44
1993 Impreza Turbo 2000 - 208bhp.
1994 Impreza WRX - 236bhp.
1993-1995 Lancer Evo II - 252bhp
1993 S13 Silvia - 205bhp
1995 S14 Silvia - 217bhp
I love the look of them, but that weight puts me off. They're more in line with the following generation of Rally Reps from 2001 in that respect really.
SonicShadow said:
Test driver said:
Disappointing power figures and potential money pit. Oil change at 4500 miles?! For a 2.0 4pot turbo only making 239bhp? Nice cars though they are not worth the money imo.
239bhp was very competitive in 1994. Lets put that into context. Also, the Japanese market version made ~250bhp.Edited by Test driver on Thursday 2nd August 09:44
1993 Impreza Turbo 2000 - 208bhp.
1994 Impreza WRX - 236bhp.
1993-1995 Lancer Evo II - 252bhp
1993 S13 Silvia - 205bhp
1995 S14 Silvia - 217bhp
As for the oil change interval - oil tech has moved on a lot in the past 25 years. You could safely double that interval using a good quality modern synthetic oil, depending on usage.
they where great GT cars, i like it so much i bought 3 of them despite the steep price at the time
SonicShadow said:
It's stablemate, MR2 Turbo. In the dry it can launch just as hard as a GT4 can as long as you haven't got LingLongs on it!
I can agree with this as well, I've always enjoyed the traffic light GP(its surprising how many are up for it too!). The MR2 Turbo was the only car I had fun with in my 200sx that had me off the line! When I eventually got some grip I was pinned to its rear bumper though. All this Jap chat is making me want another!...a Supercharged/Turbocharged GT86 would do me nicely!
howardhughes said:
Fast Forward twenty four years
Porsche 968 Club Sport £36K +
Toyota Celica GT-Four £3K +
The Toyota Celica GT-Four was way overpriced to begin with.
if they had made the other car the results would be the samePorsche 968 Club Sport £36K +
Toyota Celica GT-Four £3K +
The Toyota Celica GT-Four was way overpriced to begin with.
Porsche GT-Four £36k
Toyota 968 CS £3k
in fact a porsche GT-Four with the limited numbers of the CS and its rally history would probably be £60k
if your going to have fanboys make sure they have deep pockets
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