RE: Hyundai i30 N Performance gets 320hp
Discussion
IforB said:
You won’t get 500bhp from a remap, but you will get close to 400. It’s not cheap though if you use people like ABT.
Whilst this upgrade on the i30 is good, it only brings it into line with an S3/Golf R as standard.
Erm.... The Audi S1 has the 2.0l (I think the same engine as the S3?) in and the number one problem with it is the clutch giving out after 10k miles when people have remapped to 300bhp so not sure where your 500bhp stories are coming from....Whilst this upgrade on the i30 is good, it only brings it into line with an S3/Golf R as standard.
pb8g09 said:
Erm.... The Audi S1 has the 2.0l (I think the same engine as the S3?) in and the number one problem with it is the clutch giving out after 10k miles when people have remapped to 300bhp so not sure where your 500bhp stories are coming from....
Ran 420 on my DSG Cupra no issues at all, ran it like that for 3 years. some people seem lucky with the oem manual clutch and some unlucky, seems to be down to driver. Don't think any of the 500+ cars have had OEM clutch.
I agree re performance. I have an 2017 M140i with has more power and significantly more torque and you honestly can’t reach anything like the full performance/limits on the road. That said, 3ltr 6 cyl turbo beats all competition - it just is the best drive train without a shadow of doubt. We will all mourn its passing. What a drive!
wab172uk said:
Wonder why the official performance parts are Europe only?
Last time I checked, we're still in Europe ........... and will be for some time by the looks of it
You can take your Audi to ABT in Germany, get it chipped and keep the warranty. Yet here, it's void. Think it's the same for BMW.
It's funny how we (Britain) always get shafted with the tastiest cars, performance parts, tuning etc. Yet, we still probably pay more for our cars than the rest of Europe.
This 100% in germany TUV standards mean tuning firms get a green light here they are shunned etc.Last time I checked, we're still in Europe ........... and will be for some time by the looks of it
You can take your Audi to ABT in Germany, get it chipped and keep the warranty. Yet here, it's void. Think it's the same for BMW.
It's funny how we (Britain) always get shafted with the tastiest cars, performance parts, tuning etc. Yet, we still probably pay more for our cars than the rest of Europe.
RB Will said:
Lowtimer said:
Max_Torque said:
and extra 100 lbft through the std gearbox and clutch? Hmm, that could end expensively......
My thoughts exactly. Also driveshafts.Anyway I digress. Am I the only one who thinks it sounds crap?
That torque is a lot to put through a manual operated clutch.
That torque increase is a lot to put trough an untested engine. Golf R/ Cupra engines can take it, but they have forged pistons and crankshafts and huge piston pins from factory, and tuners incrementally increased power with the most risk happy customers, not a general stg 1 remap for all.
That torque seems way too much compared to power. It means the car will behave very boosty, and that 386lbft means it will make peak power 320hp already at 4200rpm. Either that, or torque peak has already been passed (natural peak torque is ~3500rpm on a typical turbo engine), again making engine response violent at a narrow rpm window as the turbo goes full blowdry, with nothing to gain in power when revving the engine out another almost 3000rpm. Sounds if not boring, at least one dimensional to me. And risky, as above.
That torque increase is a lot to put trough an untested engine. Golf R/ Cupra engines can take it, but they have forged pistons and crankshafts and huge piston pins from factory, and tuners incrementally increased power with the most risk happy customers, not a general stg 1 remap for all.
That torque seems way too much compared to power. It means the car will behave very boosty, and that 386lbft means it will make peak power 320hp already at 4200rpm. Either that, or torque peak has already been passed (natural peak torque is ~3500rpm on a typical turbo engine), again making engine response violent at a narrow rpm window as the turbo goes full blowdry, with nothing to gain in power when revving the engine out another almost 3000rpm. Sounds if not boring, at least one dimensional to me. And risky, as above.
Edited by Onehp on Wednesday 15th August 19:20
pb8g09 said:
IforB said:
You won’t get 500bhp from a remap, but you will get close to 400. It’s not cheap though if you use people like ABT.
Whilst this upgrade on the i30 is good, it only brings it into line with an S3/Golf R as standard.
Erm.... The Audi S1 has the 2.0l (I think the same engine as the S3?) in and the number one problem with it is the clutch giving out after 10k miles when people have remapped to 300bhp so not sure where your 500bhp stories are coming from....Whilst this upgrade on the i30 is good, it only brings it into line with an S3/Golf R as standard.
AJB88 said:
pb8g09 said:
Erm.... The Audi S1 has the 2.0l (I think the same engine as the S3?) in and the number one problem with it is the clutch giving out after 10k miles when people have remapped to 300bhp so not sure where your 500bhp stories are coming from....
Ran 420 on my DSG Cupra no issues at all, ran it like that for 3 years. some people seem lucky with the oem manual clutch and some unlucky, seems to be down to driver. Don't think any of the 500+ cars have had OEM clutch.
scoobychris555 said:
Golf R forums full of manual clutch failures and/or upgrades but DSG appears to take it ok especially with gearbox re-map increasing the plate tension etc
Isn’t the i30N manual only? So the original poster’s suggestion the oem clutch couldn’t handle that power or torque increase a valid suggestion?pb8g09 said:
IforB said:
My S3 has 310bhp as standard. An ABT remap gives just under 400bhp with no other mods than the map. Add a few other toys and you are looking well north of that.
Original OEM manual clutch?Edited by Onehp on Thursday 16th August 00:46
ToothbrushMan said:
Max_Torque said:
and extra 100 lbft through the std gearbox and clutch? Hmm, that could end expensively......
why? audis and vws are turning up the wicks on the 2.0 TFSi engines to circa 500bhp and the boxes seem to be able to cope. cant see the Koreans being any worse unless the boxes are made of chocolate.on the above note too with 500bhp from the VAG machines.......kind of puts the increase of this N from 275 to 320 into perspective. for those into their numbers "it aint all that"
mooseracer said:
IforB said:
My S3 has 310bhp as standard. An ABT remap gives just under 400bhp with no other mods than the map. Add a few other toys and you are looking well north of that.
370 with just a map, you need a sports downpipe/cat to get 400 (according to their website)BenRichards89 said:
I fear my response may come across a bit boring for PH, but I have one of these, and the last thing I feel it really needs is more power.
On a track maybe, but on the road you cant use 100% of the performance it has as it is. I'd rather keep hold of my warranty too.
Interesting comment and very unPH, but I'm with you. On a track maybe, but on the road you cant use 100% of the performance it has as it is. I'd rather keep hold of my warranty too.
Nanook said:
pb8g09 said:
IforB said:
You won’t get 500bhp from a remap, but you will get close to 400. It’s not cheap though if you use people like ABT.
Whilst this upgrade on the i30 is good, it only brings it into line with an S3/Golf R as standard.
Erm.... The Audi S1 has the 2.0l (I think the same engine as the S3?) in and the number one problem with it is the clutch giving out after 10k miles when people have remapped to 300bhp so not sure where your 500bhp stories are coming from....Whilst this upgrade on the i30 is good, it only brings it into line with an S3/Golf R as standard.
I think all S3 and RS3 models are DSG only now and have been for a few years so extra power is not an issue, the car can certainly handle a big power increase very easily!
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