RE: Jaguar XE MY2020: Driven
Discussion
Limpet said:
Great. Now get Jaguar to sort the dealers out. As someone above said, I've never felt welcome in a Jaguar dealership. I don't expect to be fawned over and have my boots polished, but I do expect to be given the time of day, and treated like a prospective customer. I also don't expect the alternative cars I am considering to be rubbished, to for it to be implied that I'm stupid for even looking at them. It's very much "buy a car, or Foxtrot Oscar".
Based on the Jaguar owners I do know (who by, and large are a pretty satisfied bunch), the after sales sucks as well. Failing to address a squeaking steering column on a year old XF three times, and then on the fourth, coating the underside of the dash and pedals in spray grease, is one example.
My experience has been very different to yours. The service, both sales and after sales I get from my local JLR dealership is excellent. Much better than my local BMW dealership who I would never buy from again.Based on the Jaguar owners I do know (who by, and large are a pretty satisfied bunch), the after sales sucks as well. Failing to address a squeaking steering column on a year old XF three times, and then on the fourth, coating the underside of the dash and pedals in spray grease, is one example.
The after sales is so good, unless I need a service stamp, I have regularly sent my other other non JLR cars to them too for MOT, tyres, wheel refurb etc; including my Lambo.
I’m not negating your experience, just sharing that I’ve been very well looked after.
When is a car journalist going to man up and point out that placing a full touch screen to control the climate control is a very very stupid idea. Especially in JLR's application where the electronics are so buggy, its a joke. It is the same thing when journalists fawn over any Land Rover product, but completely ignore the elephant in the room that is absolutely shocking reliability.
Well if this has any room for your left leg then it's already better than a C class. It's certainly a lot prettier (both outside and in) than an A4 which is possibly the dreariest car on the market today. Only the 3 series is a worthy competitor but their new interiors are very 'Aldi'. What the hell do I mean by that? Well it's objectively good and probably the 'smart' choice but you don't really want one.
Leggy said:
I’ve not compared lately but the CO2 for the diesel looks really high.
If it’s not low enough company car drivers will run a mile from it due to the high tax they’d have to pay.
Surely a large part of the market for this type of car?
At least we know the CO2 reading is accurate. not disagreeing with your point but i would expect quiet uplifts of CO2 readings from other manufacturers as they are re-certified, If it’s not low enough company car drivers will run a mile from it due to the high tax they’d have to pay.
Surely a large part of the market for this type of car?
Nerfbat said:
I like Jags, and have had two XF's. I would have had a third, but unfortunately they just can't seem to offer competitive deals.
I ended up buying a 530D instead of a new XF as it turned out to be massively cheaper than the equivalent Jag with all the incentives that BMW offer, and I'm afraid that unless Jaguar can somehow match the deals that competitors offer they'll be struggling .
^^^THIS^^^I ended up buying a 530D instead of a new XF as it turned out to be massively cheaper than the equivalent Jag with all the incentives that BMW offer, and I'm afraid that unless Jaguar can somehow match the deals that competitors offer they'll be struggling .
The XE and XF (sportbrake ) are the best in class (guilia and E class v close)
But I am driving a 530e not an XF - Why?
Because lease deal and low CO2. An XF Sportbrake will cost be over £200 more in tax per month.
Jag - Sorry to say u need lower emissions. Cant you just errmm cheat or provide a hybrid or something for us company car drivers.
cypriot said:
When is a car journalist going to man up and point out that placing a full touch screen to control the climate control is a very very stupid idea. Especially in JLR's application where the electronics are so buggy, its a joke. It is the same thing when journalists fawn over any Land Rover product, but completely ignore the elephant in the room that is absolutely shocking reliability.
See those massive physical rotary switches. They are for climate. Turn up and down for temp, click the rotary for seat temp. Touch screen is for the more lets say advanced settings. Carl_Manchester said:
At least we know the CO2 reading is accurate. not disagreeing with your point but i would expect quiet uplifts of CO2 readings from other manufacturers as they are re-certified,
From AutocarThe most important constituent part of that update may yet prove to be a revised 2.0-litre, 178bhp Ingenium diesel engine with European ‘RDE2’ diesel NOx emissions certification, which means that – for a while, at least – the all-important diesel XE will dodge the four percent company car tax penalty generally imposed on diesel fleet cars, and which its rivals currently all fall foul of.
Mr_Sukebe said:
Not mentioned in the article, but probably more pertinent is whether Jag have solved the electrical gremlins?
Pretty much every time I read forum comments about XEs (and for that matter, similar aged XF and Land Rovers), the threads are often awash with horror stories of poor electrics.
It's certainly enough to put me off, despite me thinking that the car is stunning looking.
The PH comments are always full of people who seem to think that the XE has poor reliability, but then anecdotal reports from owners actually suggest they're very reliable. I believe is the more technologically rich Land Rovers that suffer, with things like the XE being fairly untouched by electrical (and lets be honest in this day and age....software) issues.Pretty much every time I read forum comments about XEs (and for that matter, similar aged XF and Land Rovers), the threads are often awash with horror stories of poor electrics.
It's certainly enough to put me off, despite me thinking that the car is stunning looking.
RacerMike said:
Mr_Sukebe said:
Not mentioned in the article, but probably more pertinent is whether Jag have solved the electrical gremlins?
Pretty much every time I read forum comments about XEs (and for that matter, similar aged XF and Land Rovers), the threads are often awash with horror stories of poor electrics.
It's certainly enough to put me off, despite me thinking that the car is stunning looking.
The PH comments are always full of people who seem to think that the XE has poor reliability, but then anecdotal reports from owners actually suggest they're very reliable. I believe is the more technologically rich Land Rovers that suffer, with things like the XE being fairly untouched by electrical (and lets be honest in this day and age....software) issues.Pretty much every time I read forum comments about XEs (and for that matter, similar aged XF and Land Rovers), the threads are often awash with horror stories of poor electrics.
It's certainly enough to put me off, despite me thinking that the car is stunning looking.
That's anecdotal though. On the Jaguar forum not everyone was so lucky but in percentages I have no idea how the XE compares to a 3, an A4, a C or anything else. I know how it compares to drive though...
In this market for me the 3 is way behind as an engaging driver's car. The A4 isn't even pretending to be a driver's car. The C is a different kind of car but does what it does really well. The Giulia is the only one that trumps the XE when on the move, but the XE is still really good, and is more comfortable (to me), rides better, and has a nicer interior than the Alfa. There's a lot of choice in this sector now and personally I don't think the BMW is on top in any single area.
Big GT said:
Nerfbat said:
I like Jags, and have had two XF's. I would have had a third, but unfortunately they just can't seem to offer competitive deals.
I ended up buying a 530D instead of a new XF as it turned out to be massively cheaper than the equivalent Jag with all the incentives that BMW offer, and I'm afraid that unless Jaguar can somehow match the deals that competitors offer they'll be struggling .
^^^THIS^^^I ended up buying a 530D instead of a new XF as it turned out to be massively cheaper than the equivalent Jag with all the incentives that BMW offer, and I'm afraid that unless Jaguar can somehow match the deals that competitors offer they'll be struggling .
The XE and XF (sportbrake ) are the best in class (guilia and E class v close)
But I am driving a 530e not an XF - Why?
Because lease deal and low CO2. An XF Sportbrake will cost be over £200 more in tax per month.
Jag - Sorry to say u need lower emissions. Cant you just errmm cheat or provide a hybrid or something for us company car drivers.
I recently chopped in my company xe after 3 years and 96,000 miles and have to say I really rated it. It was not only far better to drive on the back roads than the 3 series which preceded it but, strangely enough, a lot more reliable too (no issues at all) and vastly more comfortable on a long run. Interior could have been a bit better but now it is. Good car and really flowed down the road. I’d not had a jag before and have now moved onto an f pace in the back of it.
Looks lovely the interior upgrades really lift it.
No idea why journo's keep saying its not got enough headroom for adults in the rear. Im 6ft 1 and fit comfortably in the rear of my neighbours car. Has the author actually tried it ?
Hope its a success this time, I personally think its much nicer than a dull A4 or 3 series
No idea why journo's keep saying its not got enough headroom for adults in the rear. Im 6ft 1 and fit comfortably in the rear of my neighbours car. Has the author actually tried it ?
Hope its a success this time, I personally think its much nicer than a dull A4 or 3 series
So let me get this right... the facelift has updated the interior to the tune of new digital dash, better graphics, new gear selector and steering wheel.
Yet the digital dash gubbins is optional, so if you don't want to spend £2-3K on that, what's the real interior improvement? And are any of the engines updated or are they all the same old dated units with poor emissions and efficiency compared to rivals?
I'm being facetious of course, but I am a bit sick of all press reviews being based on cars specced up with about £10k worth of extras.
A neighbour of mine has recently bought a Giulia veloce (4 cyl, 280bhp version), and by god it looks fabulous. That'd get my money rather than the 250bhp petrol XE.
Yet the digital dash gubbins is optional, so if you don't want to spend £2-3K on that, what's the real interior improvement? And are any of the engines updated or are they all the same old dated units with poor emissions and efficiency compared to rivals?
I'm being facetious of course, but I am a bit sick of all press reviews being based on cars specced up with about £10k worth of extras.
A neighbour of mine has recently bought a Giulia veloce (4 cyl, 280bhp version), and by god it looks fabulous. That'd get my money rather than the 250bhp petrol XE.
I honestly can't think of anything about the 3 series that I prefer over the XE.
I am biased, and even though my P8 shares very few parts with a regular XE, I have driven plenty of different XE variants and for a driver focused small saloon, it knocks the BMW in to a cocked hat.
Jaguar seem to get so much stick about how they've lost their way, but there isn't a single current BMW that I would have over its predecessor from 15 years ago.
How many people actually go out, drive both and then form their own informed opinion?
I am biased, and even though my P8 shares very few parts with a regular XE, I have driven plenty of different XE variants and for a driver focused small saloon, it knocks the BMW in to a cocked hat.
Jaguar seem to get so much stick about how they've lost their way, but there isn't a single current BMW that I would have over its predecessor from 15 years ago.
How many people actually go out, drive both and then form their own informed opinion?
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