RE: VW ID.R breaks outright Goodwood record

[Edmundo2]

Not sure but power to weight circa 1400bhp per ton with good aero, right gearing, right suspension, grippy tyres its gonna be there. Poss sub 40 secs? No doubt electric stuff is the future but just saying it's a shame this thing has been allowed to have a go when hillclimbers haven't been. They'd be great to watch and hear but unfortunately the future is EV quiet...

Max_Torque said:

Edmundo2 said:

Or a current British Hillclimb front runner - using a petrol engine and costing less than £100k...

130R said:

tr3a said:

EV's are just superior cars.

At least until a dinosaur powered LMP1 or F1 car bothers to turn up and wipes the floor with it

Whats the downforce to mass ratio on a top UK hill climber, and the power to weight? The IDR gets off the line like, well, one of those radio controlled cars you used to drive as a kid!

[85Carrera]

tr3a said:

How delightfully predictable.

EV's are just superior cars. The only things they don't do well is make brmm-brmm noises, burn chemicals inefficiently and poison us.

What a ridiculous comment. You’ve obviously chosen to ignore:

1. The environmental consequences of mining the crap that goes in the batteries;
2. How the electricity they use has been produced; and
3. The environmental consequences of disposing of the crap in the batteries when they need replacing after less than 15 years.

And that’s ignoring the range issues which make them only suitable for a second/city car for most people ...

[RichB]

130R said:

tr3a said:

EV's are just superior cars.

At least until a dinosaur powered LMP1 or F1 car bothers to turn up and wipes the floor with it

Won't be allowed to happen

[BricktopST205]

RichB said:

Won't be allowed to happen

So in theory the organisers have been reckless in allowing the car to run due to safety? What makes the electric car inherently more safe than an F1 or LMP car?

[modeller]

85Carrera said:

What a ridiculous comment. You’ve obviously chosen to ignore:

1. The environmental consequences of mining the crap that goes in the batteries;
2. How the electricity they use has been produced; and
3. The environmental consequences of disposing of the crap in the batteries when they need replacing after less than 15 years.

And that’s ignoring the range issues which make them only suitable for a second/city car for most people ...

Daily mail reader?

[Don1]

Congratulati... No, can't do it. Lord March, allow everyone a fair crack of the whip please.

[RichB]

BricktopST205 said:

RichB said:

Won't be allowed to happen

So in theory the organisers have been reckless in allowing the car to run due to safety? What makes the electric car inherently more safe than an F1 or LMP car?

£££ ?

[borat52]

I can’t help but think that electric cars won’t actually take off until there is a solution to how to power the motors without big, expensive, restrictive batteries.

We need fuel cells.

Im sold on electric motors and I don’t really think anyone would miss an ICE if they could have a reasonably light, awd, electric car that they could refil in 2 minutes.

Heavy battery powered things? Not convinced and judging by recent sales data I’m not alone.

[ecsrobin]

stevemcs said:

How about letting the 919 Evo have a crack

Porsche apparently were offered a shot at it and said no.

paulw123 said:

So why is this safe to go for the record but a F1 car not?

When you look at the F1 car run vs the EV run the F1 car is on the limit and for most of the run looking like it’s about to the leave the tarmac. I assume that’s why.

However with the resurfaced hill and modern F1 cars and tyre technology it shouldn’t not be allowed.

[85Carrera]

modeller said:

85Carrera said:

What a ridiculous comment. You’ve obviously chosen to ignore:

1. The environmental consequences of mining the crap that goes in the batteries;
2. How the electricity they use has been produced; and
3. The environmental consequences of disposing of the crap in the batteries when they need replacing after less than 15 years.

And that’s ignoring the range issues which make them only suitable for a second/city car for most people ...

Daily mail reader?

No, as it happens, but I guess you’re a sanctimonious Guardian reader who laps up the crap they publish without questioning it given your pathetic and pointless comment.

For what it’s worth, most of my cars are old, “polluting”, worth a fraction of, for example, a Tesla but are, I would argue, more environmentally sound.

I was at the FoS yesterday and the speed of this car was very impressive, albeit it sounded like a Hoover, but one good run (fixed, it appears, if other posters are to be believed about removing batteries and the like) does not resolve the issues with electric cars. Or ignore the fact that wholesale switching to electric cars as ill-informed idiots like you seem to want, is far worse for the environment than continuing to use (rather than scrap) older ICE cars. And that’s before you consider the batteries, which are hardly environmentally friendly either to make or scrap (which would be well before the end of life of an ICE car). Instead of your rather immature “Daily Mail” jibe, perhaps you’d care to address those very real issues - if you have the knowledge to do so, which I doubt.

[RemarkLima]

85Carrera said:

What a ridiculous comment. You’ve obviously chosen to ignore:

1. The environmental consequences of mining the crap that goes in the batteries;
2. How the electricity they use has been produced; and
3. The environmental consequences of disposing of the crap in the batteries when they need replacing after less than 15 years.

And that’s ignoring the range issues which make them only suitable for a second/city car for most people ...

I always wonder about this argument... It's like petrol and diesel are just found with zero energy requirements, no exploration, drilling, mining, shipping, refining and distribution with all it's own associated costs, specialist equipment, rigs and energy requirements.

I wonder, if anyone has done a neutral like for like on the two, end to end per mile travelled energy cost...

[85Carrera]

RemarkLima said:

85Carrera said:

What a ridiculous comment. You’ve obviously chosen to ignore:

1. The environmental consequences of mining the crap that goes in the batteries;
2. How the electricity they use has been produced; and
3. The environmental consequences of disposing of the crap in the batteries when they need replacing after less than 15 years.

And that’s ignoring the range issues which make them only suitable for a second/city car for most people ...

I always wonder about this argument... It's like petrol and diesel are just found with zero energy requirements, no exploration, drilling, mining, shipping, refining and distribution with all it's own associated costs, specialist equipment, rigs and energy requirements.

I wonder, if anyone has done a neutral like for like on the two, end to end per mile travelled energy cost...

That’s a fair point; neither answer is perfect but to assume that electric cars are some sort of nirvana is a bit naive without looking at the whole picture. Too many evangelists ignore the true impact that electric cars make in espousing their views, though, so some balance is needed.

[RobDickinson]

borat52 said:

I can’t help but think that electric cars won’t actually take off until there is a solution to how to power the motors without big, expensive, restrictive batteries.

We need fuel cells.

Im sold on electric motors and I don’t really think anyone would miss an ICE if they could have a reasonably light, awd, electric car that they could refil in 2 minutes.

Heavy battery powered things? Not convinced and judging by recent sales data I’m not alone.

We dont need fuel cells. Fuel cell cars are as heavy as their EV equivalent and not likely to get lighter, and cost twice as much.

BEVs are going to get rapidly cheaper and lighter. Its very easy to predict/track the change in energy density and reduction of costs.

[selym]

Surely all the EVs should have their own competition, and ICE cars continue to try to attack Heidfeld's record?

[Nerdherder]

jonnM said:

Sounds like fking a milk float

When I f€ck my milk float I hear something completely different.

[Speed Badger]

tr3a said:

How delightfully predictable.

EV's are just superior cars. The only things they don't do well is make brmm-brmm noises, burn chemicals inefficiently and poison us.

And how do I get to Cornwall from Kent? Batteries are not the future, they are dinosaurs just like the combustion engine. Necessity is the mother of invention, we will find something else. Be it hydrogen or another synthetic element, or something nobody has conceived yet.

[Draexin]

It does sort of sound like an RC car on steroids... it's interesting but doesn't really get my blood pumping though.
Amazing run nonetheless, that looked epically fast.

p.s. it's Romain Dumas, not Roman

[RobDickinson]

Speed Badger said:

And how do I get to Cornwall from Kent? Batteries are not the future, they are dinosaurs just like the combustion engine. Necessity is the mother of invention, we will find something else. Be it hydrogen or another synthetic element, or something nobody has conceived yet.

With this? I assume in the pit van with everyone else?

[Cyder]

Speed Badger said:

tr3a said:

How delightfully predictable.

EV's are just superior cars. The only things they don't do well is make brmm-brmm noises, burn chemicals inefficiently and poison us.

And how do I get to Cornwall from Kent? Batteries are not the future, they are dinosaurs just like the combustion engine. Necessity is the mother of invention, we will find something else. Be it hydrogen or another synthetic element, or something nobody has conceived yet.

The new Leaf battery will comfortably do 200 miles on a charge, stop somewhere for a coffee and do the fast charge in 30 mins and it’ll give you about another 80% range 160 miles or so.

Penzance to Dover is 354 miles so it would be manageable.

The major issue with EV in my opinion is the charging infrastructure and the issue of running cables all over the shop for folks that live in terraced streets or with communal parking.

[RobDickinson]

Bjorn just done 2781km in 24 hours to set a new ev record, you can't get to Cornwall? Poor didums.