Latest Audi and BMW badging WTF?

[Max M4X WW]

Notanotherturbo said:

Wills2 said:

The badge on the back of a BMW hasn't always been a direct reflection of the engine capacity, this isn't "new" news.

It was for donkeys years except for the odd exception like the E28 525E. It's only in recent years this has changed, and to be fair it was always close

My 2001 540i was a 4.4.. E36 323i was a 2.5, E46 318i was a 1.9 etc

[GTI16V]

BMW have been bullstting for years, but in the other direction!
The E36 318i that's really a 2.0. The E28 525e that's really a 2.7. The E39 523 that's really a 2.5. The E39 540i that's really a 4.4
With regards to the Audi system: fk knows.

Edited by GTI16V on Sunday 21st July 22:19

[ChocolateFrog]

My neighbour just got an A4 4.0TDI (just seen it's actually 40TDI)

Assumed it must be some top spec cooking model.

Looked it up, nope it's a base spec A4.

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Sunday 21st July 22:35

[Baldchap]

can't remember said:

Sheepshanks said:

It's so people can have very ordinary engines but have a 30 badge, which 95% of people will think means it's 3 litre. I said on one of the other million threads about this that I bet there are people choosing Audis as company cars entirely because of the number on the back.

I let a rather attractive nurse in a S-line A3 out at a junction on Friday. I was very impressed that she had chosen a 3Ltr until I noticed the single exhaust pipe. A dead give-away as a 3ltr Audi would have at least 4 drain pipe sized exhaust trims.

Just bought an RS5 and it only has 2 big drainpipes! (It isn't quite a 3 litre, mind)

[Mr Tidy]

GTI16V said:

BMW have been bullstting for years, but in the other direction!
The E36 318i that's really a 2.0. The E28 525e that's really a 2.7. The E39 523 that's really a 2.5. The E39 540i that's really a 4.4
With regards to the Audi system: fk knows.

Edited by GTI16V on Sunday 21st July 22:19

Well BMW did do it the other way for a while - I'd add the early E46 323i that was a 2.5 and the 320i that was a 2.2. Then the E60 323i and E89 23i that had a 2.5 engine.

But now the 330i is a 2 litre 4-pot turbo so "330i" is pretty meaningless, and the "340i" is a 3 litre turbo - so it's not really that different to the Audi nonsense!

[G13NVL]

I personally think cars look better badgeless anyway much cleaner to the eye.

[Shiv_P]

Mr Tidy said:

GTI16V said:

BMW have been bullstting for years, but in the other direction!
The E36 318i that's really a 2.0. The E28 525e that's really a 2.7. The E39 523 that's really a 2.5. The E39 540i that's really a 4.4
With regards to the Audi system: fk knows.

Edited by GTI16V on Sunday 21st July 22:19

Well BMW did do it the other way for a while - I'd add the early E46 323i that was a 2.5 and the 320i that was a 2.2. Then the E60 323i and E89 23i that had a 2.5 engine.

But now the 330i is a 2 litre 4-pot turbo so "330i" is pretty meaningless, and the "340i" is a 3 litre turbo - so it's not really that different to the Audi nonsense!

740e is a 2.0 4 pot

[craigjm]

They could all just move to KW badges on the boot. At least then the bigger the number the more powerful the car

[Wills2]

Notanotherturbo said:

Wills2 said:

The badge on the back of a BMW hasn't always been a direct reflection of the engine capacity, this isn't "new" news.

It was for donkeys years except for the odd exception like the E28 525E. It's only in recent years this has changed, and to be fair it was always close

Nope plenty of examples as other posters have shown, like I said this isn't new news, I agree on the Audi change but I've just about got it, 55 or above has some shove 45 or below doesn't.

[nickfrog]

ChocolateFrog said:

My neighbour just got an A4 4.0TDI (just seen it's actually 40TDI)

Assumed it must be some top spec cooking model.

Looked it up, nope it's a base spec A4.

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Sunday 21st July 22:35

Do you think he has chosen it to impress you or that he doesn't give a st about the number?

[donkmeister]

craigjm said:

They could all just move to KW badges on the boot. At least then the bigger the number the more powerful the car

MG-Rover used to do this, albeit bhp or PS. My MG was a 160, but the 120 and 135 were also 1.8s

[Liamjrhodes]

BILs other half was recently given a courtesy car from audi while hers was in for repair. It was an A3 30tdi and she was convinced it was a 3 litre! so marketing wise it will work for the majority of the population

[catso]

Liamjrhodes said:

BILs other half was recently given a courtesy car from audi while hers was in for repair. It was an A3 30tdi and she was convinced it was a 3 litre! so marketing wise it will work for the majority of the population

Just bought a Q2 30tdi (1.6) for the Mrs, many people have commented on it being a 3 litre.

I must admit I was fooled myself a few months back wondering when they started making a 4 litre diesel after a neighbour turned up in an A6 40tdi...

[anonymous-user]

Does this also mean that the Fiat 500 doesnt have 500 bhp?

[jonwm]

Shiv_P said:

Mr Tidy said:

GTI16V said:

BMW have been bullstting for years, but in the other direction!
The E36 318i that's really a 2.0. The E28 525e that's really a 2.7. The E39 523 that's really a 2.5. The E39 540i that's really a 4.4
With regards to the Audi system: fk knows.

Edited by GTI16V on Sunday 21st July 22:19

Well BMW did do it the other way for a while - I'd add the early E46 323i that was a 2.5 and the 320i that was a 2.2. Then the E60 323i and E89 23i that had a 2.5 engine.

But now the 330i is a 2 litre 4-pot turbo so "330i" is pretty meaningless, and the "340i" is a 3 litre turbo - so it's not really that different to the Audi nonsense!

740e is a 2.0 4 pot

Adding the E90 318d I had was a 2.0 same for the 318i

Now I've got a 330e company car, so far only 2 people have commented on the 3.0 engine it does't have, they could just be recalling the active hybrid though as that did have the 3.0 if i remember correctly

The BMW one I can work out, its the new Audi system that has too much of a variance of outputs within each band for my liking!

[Dave Hedgehog]

RobDickinson said:

Engine capacity has been a pretty pointless measure for a while and will be more so in the future

BMW have had nonsense numbers on some models for what 20 years

The Audi badging system is very easy to understand it goes like this:

RS

pleb
pleb
pleb
pleb
very cheap pleb

[Dave Hedgehog]

ChocolateFrog said:

My neighbour just got an A4 4.0TDI (just seen it's actually 40TDI)

Assumed it must be some top spec cooking model.

Looked it up, nope it's a base spec A4.

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Sunday 21st July 22:35

i had one try to pass my A45 about a week ago

he discovered Mercs idea of 45 and Audi's are very different LOL

[berlintaxi]

ChocolateFrog said:

My neighbour just got an A4 4.0TDI (just seen it's actually 40TDI)

Assumed it must be some top spec cooking model.

Looked it up, nope it's a base spec A4.

What a sad existence where you spend your time looking up the spec of your neighbours cars.

[Superhoop]

You'll probably find that they have taken guidance from one of the trade guides, and have been told that it will add to the residual value.. Which for rental PCP purposes is all that actually maters as it reduces the monthly payment..

[PixelpeepS3]

Audi badging is very simple for the important cars.

S with a number next to it - entry level goodness
S after two letters - Wannabe hairdresser
RS with a number next to it - hero
RS after two letters - hero hairdresser
R with a number next to it - ultimate hero.

anything else - not an important audi.. move on