RE: VW Golf GTI Clubsport S | Spotted
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ZX10R NIN said:
As good as the Golf is I'd be buying the previous generation Megane Trophy R which is a better car in everyway to the Clubsport S but finding one will be harder as people seem to be keeping hold of them.
Not sure it's better in any way bar the Ohlins.Build
Engine
Performance
Tuning options
All better in the golf.
Thornaby said:
It’s a shame they only have two seats as I’d have fancied one if they had four. The standard club sport just isn’t the same. Tbh though, that’s why me and Mrs didn’t buy a clio v6 six years ago. Bad times.
The standard CS is just about the sameYou pay for the engine really and the CS is the real deal engine over the gti's and pp spec cars.
So you can have 4 seats and a clubsport.
Mines a 3 door, manual with buckets so css spec, it’s a mega car and no slower than the css bar tyres.
Porsche911R said:
The standard CS is just about the same
You pay for the engine really and the CS is the real deal engine over the gti's and pp spec cars.
So you can have 4 seats and a clubsport.
Mines a 3 door, manual with buckets so css spec, it’s a mega car and no slower than the css bar tyres.
What’s so special about the engine? A map and exhaust?You pay for the engine really and the CS is the real deal engine over the gti's and pp spec cars.
So you can have 4 seats and a clubsport.
Mines a 3 door, manual with buckets so css spec, it’s a mega car and no slower than the css bar tyres.
You could say the same of any golf mapped to 300 odd horses and some aftermarket tweaks. It’s still not going to be a CSS. And that’s the only thing that will keep prices/desirability up, not something that is a “CSS spec - because you could surely do that with any Golf GTi.
Porsche911R said:
Not sure it's better in any way bar the Ohlins.
Build
Engine
Performance
Tuning options
All better in the golf.
Golf is actually a quicker track car. But only just..Build
Engine
Performance
Tuning options
All better in the golf.
https://youtu.be/EGfUSR6VMOw
That said the Megane platform was pretty ancient by the time the Golf was released.
Porsche911R said:
The standard CS is just about the same
You pay for the engine really and the CS is the real deal engine over the gti's and pp spec cars.
So you can have 4 seats and a clubsport.
Mines a 3 door, manual with buckets so css spec, it’s a mega car and no slower than the css bar tyres.
I am surprised you think that. Having done a few miles in both I felt the S was much better, though impractical (2 seats, no spare). You pay for the engine really and the CS is the real deal engine over the gti's and pp spec cars.
So you can have 4 seats and a clubsport.
Mines a 3 door, manual with buckets so css spec, it’s a mega car and no slower than the css bar tyres.
Alpinestars said:
What’s so special about the engine? A map and exhaust?
You could say the same of any golf mapped to 300 odd horses and some aftermarket tweaks. It’s still not going to be a CSS. And that’s the only thing that will keep prices/desirability up, not something that is a “CSS spec - because you could surely do that with any Golf GTi.
The CS and css have the stronger engine, they can take 600bhp with No internals.You could say the same of any golf mapped to 300 odd horses and some aftermarket tweaks. It’s still not going to be a CSS. And that’s the only thing that will keep prices/desirability up, not something that is a “CSS spec - because you could surely do that with any Golf GTi.
The gti and pp have the cheaper engine and smaller turbo unit.
The tweaks on the css are very small from the 40th Ed club sport
Hence the css is only a few 10th faster but more to do with standard cup 2’’s and the lack of rear seats, it also has.
Machines front hubs
TT wheel front bearings
Front alloy sub frame
Stiffer rear arb
different back box
The cheap non sided disks !
Not getting into values because it,s not a Porsche RS thread !
And yes a css is always a css but it’s based on the CS, not a gti.
Even the CS rear hatch is different to the gti so stops people fitting CS spoilers to their cars.
You cannot make a gti pp into a CS but you can make the cs into a css for very little outlay, but to me the main point in these cars is having a 3 door with a manual box with the recaro buckets and how the sus is so good when on it.
If you need rear seats the CS is not the poor mans choice, it's still a big step up from the gti pp cars to drive but £10k cheaper.
The tcr newer car is dsg only which is a shame.
I am swapping my car for a css, but only because it’s done 28k miles and has a value for an org none Tuned car. I would tune it other wise, but decided to get a low miles css and tune that.
Discombobulate said:
I am surprised you think that. Having done a few miles in both I felt the S was much better, though impractical (2 seats, no spare).
Interesting, in what way better, as oem for oem it’s very hard to put them up like for like as one is on cups and a oem CS came on really s
t tyres. My CS is on ps4s tyres and the gap from both cars it’s not very noticeable to drive as expected for the same car model.
Also to add with vagcom, you can change the diff and torque setting to css spec.
Great vid here
https://youtu.be/0Wfr6Ge_XHE
Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 18th August 18:23
Driven a Clubsport S and the way it demolishes a back road is seriously impressive. It delivers fast pace at the same time as having fun really allowing you to lean on the chassis.
It’s not just the engine but also the R&D focusing on aero to reduce front lift that makes it interesting.
Never read a bad review on it from journalists and the CSS came 2nd behind the 911R in the 2017 ecoty which again speaks volumes.
For those doubting fun that can be had in FWD please watch this review by Catchpole
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KIm4r7w0qD0
Definitely on my list of cars to own.
It’s not just the engine but also the R&D focusing on aero to reduce front lift that makes it interesting.
Never read a bad review on it from journalists and the CSS came 2nd behind the 911R in the 2017 ecoty which again speaks volumes.
For those doubting fun that can be had in FWD please watch this review by Catchpole
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KIm4r7w0qD0
Definitely on my list of cars to own.
m88ony said:
It’s not just the engine but also the R&D focusing on aero to reduce front lift that makes it interesting .
Which was designed for the normal CS :-) the css is the same body.https://youtu.be/0Wfr6Ge_XHE
I think he issue with the CS is vw gave punters the choice on options , so it’s very rare to find a 3 door manual , CS , with buckets and cups, as most people spec DSg and 5 door and sun roofs with normal seats and tyres.
With The css , VW did not give the pupic the option to f**k it up :-)
Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 18th August 18:34
Porsche911R said:
The CS and css have the stronger engine, they can take 600bhp with No internals.
The gti and pp have the cheaper engine and smaller turbo unit.
The tweaks on the css are very small from the 40th Ed club sport
Hence the css is only a few 10th faster but more to do with standard cup 2’’s and the lack of rear seats, it also has.
Machines front hubs
TT wheel front bearings
Front alloy sub frame
Stiffer rear arb
different back box
The cheap non sided disks !
Not getting into values because it,s not a Porsche RS thread !
And yes a css is always a css but it’s based on the CS, not a gti.
Even the CS rear hatch is different to the gti so stops people fitting CS spoilers to their cars.
You cannot make a gti pp into a CS but you can make the cs into a css for very little outlay, but to me the main point in these cars is having a 3 door with a manual box with the recaro buckets and how the sus is so good when on it.
If you need rear seats the CS is not the poor mans choice, it's still a big step up from the gti pp cars to drive but £10k cheaper.
The tcr newer car is dsg only which is a shame.
I am swapping my car for a css, but only because it’s done 28k miles and has a value for an org none Tuned car. I would tune it other wise, but decided to get a low miles css and tune that.
I’ve never read anything re the engine upgrades, other than it’s a “tweaked” EA888 engine, and that most of the additional power comes from an exhaust. The gti and pp have the cheaper engine and smaller turbo unit.
The tweaks on the css are very small from the 40th Ed club sport
Hence the css is only a few 10th faster but more to do with standard cup 2’’s and the lack of rear seats, it also has.
Machines front hubs
TT wheel front bearings
Front alloy sub frame
Stiffer rear arb
different back box
The cheap non sided disks !
Not getting into values because it,s not a Porsche RS thread !
And yes a css is always a css but it’s based on the CS, not a gti.
Even the CS rear hatch is different to the gti so stops people fitting CS spoilers to their cars.
You cannot make a gti pp into a CS but you can make the cs into a css for very little outlay, but to me the main point in these cars is having a 3 door with a manual box with the recaro buckets and how the sus is so good when on it.
If you need rear seats the CS is not the poor mans choice, it's still a big step up from the gti pp cars to drive but £10k cheaper.
The tcr newer car is dsg only which is a shame.
I am swapping my car for a css, but only because it’s done 28k miles and has a value for an org none Tuned car. I would tune it other wise, but decided to get a low miles css and tune that.
Alpinestars said:
I’ve never read anything re the engine upgrades, other than it’s a “tweaked” EA888 engine, and that most of the additional power comes from an exhaust.
I have no idea but tuners will not remap a gti engine to high levels, they do with an r engine!I found this but I have no idea, in the older days I thought they had ti rods and all sorts over the normal ones, but again I have no idea why a R engine as used in the CS and css can take 600bhp.
To quote google.
To attain these values, the TSI, with a displacement of 1,984 cc, was subjected to a development programme similar to that of a motorsport engine. The following components were modified or completely redesigned compared to the already highly agile GTI engine: the cylinder head (together with exhaust valves, valve seats and springs), pistons, high-pressure injection valves as well as the turbocharger.
Every where else is just stated an advanced ea888,
All I know is it drives mega, and that’s what matters.
And tuners give you 420bhp for peanuts map and down pipe !
Best hatch I have owned since my Clio trophy for sure.
Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 18th August 18:48
Porsche911R said:
I have no idea but tuners will not remap a gti engine to high levels, they do with an r engine!
I found this but I have no idea, in the older days I thought they had ti rods and all sorts over the normal ones, but again I have no idea why a R engine as used in the CS and css can take 600bhp.
To quote google.
To attain these values, the TSI, with a displacement of 1,984 cc, was subjected to a development programme similar to that of a motorsport engine. The following components were modified or completely redesigned compared to the already highly agile GTI engine: the cylinder head (together with exhaust valves, valve seats and springs), pistons, high-pressure injection valves as well as the turbocharger.
Every where else is just stated an advanced ea888,
All I know is it drives mega, and that’s what matters.
And tuners give you 420bhp for peanuts map and down pipe !
Best hatch I have owned since my Clio trophy for sure.
Thanks. I found this but I have no idea, in the older days I thought they had ti rods and all sorts over the normal ones, but again I have no idea why a R engine as used in the CS and css can take 600bhp.
To quote google.
To attain these values, the TSI, with a displacement of 1,984 cc, was subjected to a development programme similar to that of a motorsport engine. The following components were modified or completely redesigned compared to the already highly agile GTI engine: the cylinder head (together with exhaust valves, valve seats and springs), pistons, high-pressure injection valves as well as the turbocharger.
Every where else is just stated an advanced ea888,
All I know is it drives mega, and that’s what matters.
And tuners give you 420bhp for peanuts map and down pipe !
Best hatch I have owned since my Clio trophy for sure.
Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 18th August 18:48
The last point is always relevant to what else you’ve driven (fwd of course).
Trophy-GTA said:
C.MW said:
Do you belong to the anything fwd is boring to drive camp? Because if you do, I think I'll just let you say whatever you want and move on.
Excuse me but where did I say fwd is boring? I own two very exciting FF and an MR. Specifically a 182 Trophy, a 156 GTA and a 348 TB. But I suppose they’re all boring as they’re much slower round a track or a particular stretch of road than a golf hatch. Maybe I should trade them in for an Audi?We are all different though. Whilst I consider myself to be in your camp (Alfa 105 GTV 147 GTA and Delta Evo2), I suppose there are people who find Miele, AEG and other white goods such as Golf GTIs exciting. Each to their own and live and let live! :-)
Chestrockwell said:
29k for a 2 seater Golf with no air con, a car for speculators, nobody’s going to buy a 2 seater Golf to take on track because they’d just buy a sports car like a Lotus or Porsche.
The Civic Type R is the king of hot hatches, on road and track and it will be for a while.
Comes with all the kit you need, air con, rear seats, reasonable price with no extra model coming out every 6 months. No options, you go to Honda, Type R GT and that’s it.
With Golfs and Megane, there’s always a newer better model out that outdates yours, the options list means you can easily get into 40k.
2017 - 2019
Honda Civic Type R
2018 - 2019
Renault Megane RS 280
Renault Megane RS 300 Trophy
Renault Megane RS 300 Trophy R
2014 - 2019
Golf GTI
Golf GTI Performance 245
Golf GTI Club Sport
Golf GTI Club Sport S
Golf GTI TCR
The Civic is the only honest hot hatch here and it’s also the best, before anyone tells me about the Ring’ time, I read that the lack of rear seats was to offset the weight of the roll cage. Honda came, built a car to the best of their ability and put it on sale. The rest build cars, hold them back and release more versions and price them higher. It’s fine as they’re a business you can’t deny the greatness and honesty.
Sorry, I’m slightly biased.
Thank you and goodbye
Why do you continually spam every thread about any hot hatch with what can only be (based upon the repetition) some form of purchase justification and, to make matters worse, pictures of one of the ugliest hot hatches ever made? The Civic Type R is the king of hot hatches, on road and track and it will be for a while.
Comes with all the kit you need, air con, rear seats, reasonable price with no extra model coming out every 6 months. No options, you go to Honda, Type R GT and that’s it.
With Golfs and Megane, there’s always a newer better model out that outdates yours, the options list means you can easily get into 40k.
2017 - 2019
Honda Civic Type R
2018 - 2019
Renault Megane RS 280
Renault Megane RS 300 Trophy
Renault Megane RS 300 Trophy R
2014 - 2019
Golf GTI
Golf GTI Performance 245
Golf GTI Club Sport
Golf GTI Club Sport S
Golf GTI TCR
The Civic is the only honest hot hatch here and it’s also the best, before anyone tells me about the Ring’ time, I read that the lack of rear seats was to offset the weight of the roll cage. Honda came, built a car to the best of their ability and put it on sale. The rest build cars, hold them back and release more versions and price them higher. It’s fine as they’re a business you can’t deny the greatness and honesty.
Sorry, I’m slightly biased.
Thank you and goodbye
Nobody cares about the ugly fraud.
Edited by CraigV6 on Monday 19th August 06:24
Edited by CraigV6 on Monday 19th August 06:25
Porsche911R said:
I am swapping my car for a css, but only because it’s done 28k miles and has a value for an org none Tuned car. I would tune it other wise, but decided to get a low miles css and tune that.
Will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the CS v CSS after a while.I adore the CSS. It is sublime and every bit as quick cross country as my GT4. I have no need for rear seats or another sports car but every need for a practical hot hatch. Having no rear seats actually suits me down to the ground!
Chestrockwell said:
Honda came, built a car to the best of their ability and put it on sale. The rest build cars, hold them back and release more versions and price them higher.
Now this I agree with. But when the lead designer of Honda let his 6 year old design the Civic after watching Transformers and then Fast&Furious back-to-back, they dropped the ball.Somewhere between VAG blandness and Honda "MORE SPOILERS AND USELESS VENTS AND PLASTIC BITS HERE AND THERE" would be absolutely spot on.
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