RE: Next AMG C63 to go four-cylinder
Discussion
Surely, SURELY, this is a wind-up? A C63 (like an M3 and RS4) is a petrolheads choice, smacked with extra tax, lower economy and more expensive insurance - where is the case for not just buying a C350 or the like if it's "just" a 4pot / fake exhaust popping.
I shall quietly roll my C63 back into the garage and keep quiet.
I may be an old man shaking my fist at a cloud....
I shall quietly roll my C63 back into the garage and keep quiet.
I may be an old man shaking my fist at a cloud....
Plate spinner said:
Alex_225 said:
Talking of loud, I hope they don't make it obnoxious and unnecessarily loud like many of the other four cylinder farty exhausts. Sadly I suspect it'll pop and crackle the moment it moves! 
C’mon, you know it’ll be the loudest yet in order to appeal to the certain type of attention-seekers that thinks these generic fart pop 4-bangers sound good. I consider myself very lucky to own a CLS63 which I personally think has the positives the C63 had without the shoutiness. I'm too old for that without looking like a nob (more than normal haha).
5490 said:
BMW did that with their E30 M3 nearly 30 years ago..
But that was a racing car engine, homologated for the road. As soon as the M3 became a road car first (E36), it went up two cylinders.Mercedes did the same thing with the 190E 23-16 Cosworth. Again, an engine developed for a particular racing series, which then had to be homologated for the road.
Somehow, that just makes it more acceptable.
SweptVolume said:
But that was a racing car engine, homologated for the road. As soon as the M3 became a road car first (E36), it went up two cylinders.
Mercedes did the same thing with the 190E 23-16 Cosworth. Again, an engine developed for a particular racing series, which then had to be homologated for the road.
It was also a very different time. 200 hp was enough to set people's trousers on fire, and nothing outside of luxobarges and supercars had any engine with more than 6 cylinders.Mercedes did the same thing with the 190E 23-16 Cosworth. Again, an engine developed for a particular racing series, which then had to be homologated for the road.
Dave Hedgehog said:
there has never been a clearer message that the era of ICE cars is over
who in their right mind would spend 70k+ on a 4 pot?
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/a7/108081/new-audi-a7-sportback-55-tfsie-2019-review who in their right mind would spend 70k+ on a 4 pot?
More Bhp than the S7
Don’t believe Audi won’t be next at this, I’d expect the new gen of S models to have 4 pots.
Sounds like nonesense, they wont do that.
Its like when the Council say they are putting Council tax up by 10 percent and these is much wailing and gnashing of teeth, so when the actual 5 percent increase comes out, everyone sort of accepts it with a minor grumble,
Bet the next C63 will be more powerful C53 unit with some hybrid stuff.
An 18 plate C63 coupe came in the works car park today, sounded ace, hmm 30 grand entry level for the turbo models and the earlier 6.3, plenty of choice at 14/15, is it me or is that a hell of a car for the money ? notwithstanding the knobhead ownership some got, but they seem to have moved on a bit now.
Its like when the Council say they are putting Council tax up by 10 percent and these is much wailing and gnashing of teeth, so when the actual 5 percent increase comes out, everyone sort of accepts it with a minor grumble,
Bet the next C63 will be more powerful C53 unit with some hybrid stuff.
An 18 plate C63 coupe came in the works car park today, sounded ace, hmm 30 grand entry level for the turbo models and the earlier 6.3, plenty of choice at 14/15, is it me or is that a hell of a car for the money ? notwithstanding the knobhead ownership some got, but they seem to have moved on a bit now.
There's no way you'd use a low voltage boosting system (48V) on an engine and also have a high voltage traction assist as well.
Why would you bother to boost the engine when you can 'boost' the wheels directly with the traction motor. Cheaper, more efficient, more powerful. The engine will be their to "make the noise" and the eMAchine to "make it go"..........
To get close to the current C63S, (500 bhp & 700 Nm) the 4 cyl (415 bhp & 500 Nm) you need about 100 bhp and 200 Nm at peak, but more like 200bhp and 300 Nm if you look at total area under the curve. That sort of level of additional boosting is not available from just 48V.
Why would you bother to boost the engine when you can 'boost' the wheels directly with the traction motor. Cheaper, more efficient, more powerful. The engine will be their to "make the noise" and the eMAchine to "make it go"..........
To get close to the current C63S, (500 bhp & 700 Nm) the 4 cyl (415 bhp & 500 Nm) you need about 100 bhp and 200 Nm at peak, but more like 200bhp and 300 Nm if you look at total area under the curve. That sort of level of additional boosting is not available from just 48V.
You know what I want to see? Porsche had it right with the 918. I want to see a car that runs on electric some of the time, with a big honking performance V8 as a “range extender” or for when you want max performance including aural pleasure.
Yes, it’ll weigh too much. Replace 75% of the fuel tank with batteries for a start?
Yes, it’ll weigh too much. Replace 75% of the fuel tank with batteries for a start?
Not April is it?
I can't see this happening as it leaves so little room for 45, 55 (Or whatever the nomenclature is). As impressive as Mercedes tuning of 4 pots is, There's no way they would be able to make it that much more powerful than the lower models without throttling them significantly.
I can't see this happening as it leaves so little room for 45, 55 (Or whatever the nomenclature is). As impressive as Mercedes tuning of 4 pots is, There's no way they would be able to make it that much more powerful than the lower models without throttling them significantly.
kambites said:
5490 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the i6 becomes the biggest engine MB make in the future, no more V8s.
I suspect that's very much the plan, but I still think we'll see the i6 in the C-class. When they facelifted the C43 and kept the V6, I i wondered why they didn’t put the i6 in from the E53 without the EQ booster but I think it’s to make the upcoming i6 seem more exclusive in the next C63 installation
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Venturist said:
You know what I want to see? Porsche had it right with the 918. I want to see a car that runs on electric some of the time, with a big honking performance V8 as a “range extender” or for when you want max performance including aural pleasure.
I'm with you on that. I actually quite like the appeal of an electric motor giving the car some extra shove. Perhaps in the same way a forced induction engine works. A hybrid-V8 could be the best of both worlds! Runs on four cylinders/electric assist on a cruise or round town, put your foot down and get the full whack. Nice!Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff