Six cars we can't wait to drive in 2020
Discussion
Edmundo2 said:
Yaris looks fantastic! If the price is right and they get the styling details right with a motorsport vibe then could be mega..
If you're expecting it to be priced like a Yaris, I think you're going to be sorely disappointed. It's certainly not going to be the right side of £30k and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the wrong side of £40k. 
kambites said:
Edmundo2 said:
Yaris looks fantastic! If the price is right and they get the styling details right with a motorsport vibe then could be mega..
If you're expecting it to be priced like a Yaris, I think you're going to be sorely disappointed. It's certainly not going to be the right side of £30k and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the wrong side of £40k. That was £26k 2 years ago
Grindle said:
The M2 (and many other latest sporty cars) underwhelms me tbh. With current turbo technology and all the engine improvements the past 2 decades have given us i find 450 bhp very ordinary, especially at that money. 2 turbos as well.
In 2005 i bought a car with 405 bhp, just 2 litres and 1 turbo. Yes it was old school laggy and old fashioned and brutal but even so...
By BMW we were given 507 bhp from the old M5 without any forced induction the same year. Oh and that sounded way better than the M2.
500 bhp from the 2.9 Alfa 5 years ago also shows that the M2 at 365 bhp has been way behind the 8 ball for far too long. 450 bhp is okay, but at that price? I'd never spend it.
I think this sums up neatly so much that is wrong with modern motoring: chasing too much accessible power.In 2005 i bought a car with 405 bhp, just 2 litres and 1 turbo. Yes it was old school laggy and old fashioned and brutal but even so...
By BMW we were given 507 bhp from the old M5 without any forced induction the same year. Oh and that sounded way better than the M2.
500 bhp from the 2.9 Alfa 5 years ago also shows that the M2 at 365 bhp has been way behind the 8 ball for far too long. 450 bhp is okay, but at that price? I'd never spend it.
450hp is more than enough, especially as it will be delivered across the rev range. It is probably far too much to actually use most of the time, especially in a damp country.
As for the 2000hp lotus EV, I would MUCH rather have fun in a 200hp Elise that a 2000hp Evija.
s m said:
kambites said:
Edmundo2 said:
Yaris looks fantastic! If the price is right and they get the styling details right with a motorsport vibe then could be mega..
If you're expecting it to be priced like a Yaris, I think you're going to be sorely disappointed. It's certainly not going to be the right side of £30k and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the wrong side of £40k. That was £26k 2 years ago
wouldn't be surprised to see high price and low sales forecast.
This isn't just bolting a bigger engine and 4wd system into an existing hatchback bodyshell designed to take it - it's a far more significant makeover than a normal hot match like, say, a Golf R. More akin perhaps to something like the Clio V6 in terms of complexity. CABC said:
s m said:
kambites said:
Edmundo2 said:
Yaris looks fantastic! If the price is right and they get the styling details right with a motorsport vibe then could be mega..
If you're expecting it to be priced like a Yaris, I think you're going to be sorely disappointed. It's certainly not going to be the right side of £30k and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the wrong side of £40k. That was £26k 2 years ago
wouldn't be surprised to see high price and low sales forecast.
No doubt it’ll be cheap enough to sell loads in Japan, but who on earth is going to buy a £40k Yaris in the UK? Hardly anyone.
CABC said:
suspect they're not trying to sell that many. it's a halo car.
wouldn't be surprised to see high price and low sales forecast.
They need to make 25,000 for homologation so they'll probably want to make sure they sell. I doubt they will be cheap, but hopefully not silly, below the £40K tax jump would make sense in the UK.wouldn't be surprised to see high price and low sales forecast.
Pvapour said:
SidewaysSi said:
Isn't this site meant to be about great driving cars?
I think you’ll find EVs are 
as are ice, no debates or arguments, just enjoy both as thats where we all really win 
It's a bit like sex. Some people find shagging the average girl missionary style to be the height of filthy excitement. Whilst others may find an orgy with 15 models a bit dull..
big_rob_sydney said:
Grindle said:
richthebike said:
seanyboyy said:
yawn, not much innovation in that lot.
TBH unless we can afford to buy stuff costing a fortune, all that exotica above is irrelevant. On the wider point here, i never have got why people get so excited about an upcoming car costing X amount of £££ zillions that the likes of me and 99% of other people are probably never going to see on the road, let alone drive or (hell freezes over) OWN!
I would rather stick to what i have a chance of owning.
''Latest McLaren has 40 bhp more than last year's and through the use of titanium and carbon weighs 40 kgs less''. Well my life will be so much better for that!
Leftfootwonder said:
Why didn't Toyota put this much effort in to the Supra and give us a car to really be excited about instead of a Yaris?
My thoughts entirely! Toyota said the supra wouldn't have been possible due to the costs and had to go in with BMW, but here we have a ridiculously bespoke city car rally monster developed on their own, doesn't make sense. Don't get me wrong, really pleased they are doing it, but did they need to go this bonkers for homologation? Onehp said:
The GR Yaris for me.
It's something I haven't seen before, a small, light, driver focused 4wd car, much more than a hot hatch.
I knew a guy who had a Mazda 323 GTR(?) in 1989 I think it was - 4x4, 1.6 turbocharged 16v. 30 years ago! And it was mental too - mind you it was a rally car with hand-cut slicks... It's something I haven't seen before, a small, light, driver focused 4wd car, much more than a hot hatch.
FaNtheMaN26 said:
Leftfootwonder said:
Why didn't Toyota put this much effort in to the Supra and give us a car to really be excited about instead of a Yaris?
My thoughts entirely! Toyota said the supra wouldn't have been possible due to the costs and had to go in with BMW, but here we have a ridiculously bespoke city car rally monster developed on their own, doesn't make sense. Don't get me wrong, really pleased they are doing it, but did they need to go this bonkers for homologation? It must also be much more easy to develop a 250hp small car that is is complaint with modern legislation than a larger higher power model. Team up with the expensive project, go solo on the cheaper one.
MikeM6 said:
My theory is to make a bespoke rally-car-for-the-road is probably much cheaper to develop than a bespoke 350hp (ish) coupe.
It must also be much more easy to develop a 250hp small car that is is complaint with modern legislation than a larger higher power model. Team up with the expensive project, go solo on the cheaper one.
Yeah fair enough... Let's hope the production version gets a bit better than the topgear review though https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/yaris/first-dr...It must also be much more easy to develop a 250hp small car that is is complaint with modern legislation than a larger higher power model. Team up with the expensive project, go solo on the cheaper one.
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