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Water Fairy said:
Perfect for the non drivers of this world.
I agree, if you are considering buying one of these then you may as well hand your licence in and catch the f
king bus.Out of interest, how is this perfect for non drivers? Surely someone who doesn’t drive wouldn’t buy a £40k TROC ornament. (Or do you mean perfect for someone who is not a Pistonheads driving god)
NDNDNDND said:
Isn't that exactly what he's saying? For the kind of person this is aimed at, slightly more weight and a higher CoG aren't important.
A lot of people have more than one car. One for family road transport and one for fun and track in many cases. The idea that a car enthusiast can't also have a SUV doesn't match my own experience nor observationsnor many people on PH. Most of my track day mates also have a SUV. Most track cars towing vehicle on your typical track day paddock are SUVs.nickfrog said:
NDNDNDND said:
Isn't that exactly what he's saying? For the kind of person this is aimed at, slightly more weight and a higher CoG aren't important.
A lot of people have more than one car. One for family road transport and one for fun and track in many cases. The idea that a car enthusiast can't also have a SUV doesn't match my own experience nor observationsnor many people on PH. Most of my track day mates also have a SUV. Most track cars towing vehicle on your typical track day paddock are SUVs.
And I don't mind admitting I use the VW 9 times out of 10 (it's actually very good)
nickfrog said:
A lot of people have more than one car. One for family road transport and one for fun and track in many cases. The idea that a car enthusiast can't also have a SUV doesn't match my own experience nor observationsnor many people on PH. Most of my track day mates also have a SUV. Most track cars towing vehicle on your typical track day paddock are SUVs.
This. Different cars for different things.nickfrog said:
NDNDNDND said:
Isn't that exactly what he's saying? For the kind of person this is aimed at, slightly more weight and a higher CoG aren't important.
A lot of people have more than one car. One for family road transport and one for fun and track in many cases. The idea that a car enthusiast can't also have a SUV doesn't match my own experience nor observationsnor many people on PH. Most of my track day mates also have a SUV. Most track cars towing vehicle on your typical track day paddock are SUVs.Well, mostly roundabouts.
”turn in with a little too much speed and the understeer will gradually and predictably move through the car to tighten the line, while on the throttle the all-wheel drive can straighten the line and mitigate some of the power understeer”
So understeer tightens the line and 4wd on the throttle straightens the line? Well, that’s new!
So understeer tightens the line and 4wd on the throttle straightens the line? Well, that’s new!
Ok, what I was getting at was if this was going to be your only car then driving is not your priority. Rather a safe, competent and practical family lugger.
If driving was important to you then there is plenty of stuff about that can double up as the family bus AND be fun. It's not as if the T-Roc is very big.
You don't have to be a driving god to appreciate the finer side of a car's dynamics. I guess I just find this kind of stuff rather tedious, generic and half baked.
You could save a shed load and get yourself a Forester STI for example. Sure it's more costly to run and a little basic in comparison but it costs much less in the first place AND depreciation shouldn't be an issue.
Just my two penneth.
If driving was important to you then there is plenty of stuff about that can double up as the family bus AND be fun. It's not as if the T-Roc is very big.
You don't have to be a driving god to appreciate the finer side of a car's dynamics. I guess I just find this kind of stuff rather tedious, generic and half baked.
You could save a shed load and get yourself a Forester STI for example. Sure it's more costly to run and a little basic in comparison but it costs much less in the first place AND depreciation shouldn't be an issue.
Just my two penneth.
I work for VW and have driven one of these for a few weeks over Christmas. I actually liked it far more than I expected...It isn’t quite as sharp as the Golf R, but it is far more capable than what you could reasonably use on the road.
As the article says, it feels better than the Golf in a few ways and the extra ground clearance makes it more of a useful tool down rural roads where the Golf could catch its bumper at speed.
As the article says, it feels better than the Golf in a few ways and the extra ground clearance makes it more of a useful tool down rural roads where the Golf could catch its bumper at speed.
RaineyDays said:
I agree, if you are considering buying one of these then you may as well hand your licence in and catch the fking bus.
Out of interest, how is this perfect for non drivers? Surely someone who doesn’t drive wouldn’t buy a £40k TROC ornament. (Or do you mean perfect for someone who is not a Pistonheads driving god)
Non driverking bus.Out of interest, how is this perfect for non drivers? Surely someone who doesn’t drive wouldn’t buy a £40k TROC ornament. (Or do you mean perfect for someone who is not a Pistonheads driving god)
As in not interested in, nor derives pleasure from driving
I think the assumption is that a driver and a motorist are two different things. Driver means a stair-dominating, company directing, steering-wheel hero, where a motorist is someone who owns and uses a car, is not a director of anything and couldn't even dominate the staircase in a doll's house.
Baldchap said:
I think the assumption is that a driver and a motorist are two different things. Driver means a stair-dominating, company directing, steering-wheel hero, where a motorist is someone who owns and uses a car, is not a director of anything and couldn't even dominate the staircase in a doll's house.
I think you have that the wrong way round. The motorist is the one who will care more about what badge it has and if it's better than that on the car next door.Can't be anything other than German as every other nations cars are a lot more unreliable and lower class.
The driver is the weedy one who cars more about its power to weight, would rather have a lower c-of-g and doesn't really care where in the world the car came from as long as it was fun to drive.
Edited by WonkeyDonkey on Friday 17th January 23:34
Is it actually more practical than an estate? I’d guess no. Is it actually decent off road? The fact there seems to be very little information regarding this, I’d guess not.
Hardly a tow work horse either, not really the engine/box combo to suit.
So what’s the actual point of this apart from people that like to feel more privileged and sit above us dweebs?
Hardly a tow work horse either, not really the engine/box combo to suit.
So what’s the actual point of this apart from people that like to feel more privileged and sit above us dweebs?
Edited by hothatchery7 on Saturday 18th January 01:43
Water Fairy said:
Ok, what I was getting at was if this was going to be your only car then driving is not your priority. Rather a safe, competent and practical family lugger.
If driving was important to you then there is plenty of stuff about that can double up as the family bus AND be fun. It's not as if the T-Roc is very big.
You don't have to be a driving god to appreciate the finer side of a car's dynamics. I guess I just find this kind of stuff rather tedious, generic and half baked.
You could save a shed load and get yourself a Forester STI for example. Sure it's more costly to run and a little basic in comparison but it costs much less in the first place AND depreciation shouldn't be an issue.
Just my two penneth.
Forester STI are no longer for sale - or are you comparing used to new? If driving was important to you then there is plenty of stuff about that can double up as the family bus AND be fun. It's not as if the T-Roc is very big.
You don't have to be a driving god to appreciate the finer side of a car's dynamics. I guess I just find this kind of stuff rather tedious, generic and half baked.
You could save a shed load and get yourself a Forester STI for example. Sure it's more costly to run and a little basic in comparison but it costs much less in the first place AND depreciation shouldn't be an issue.
Just my two penneth.
Indeed, Golf Rs were (several times) available on deals better than that, VW must have been punting them out at minimal margin (if at all) at those figures. It’ll be interesting to see if the T-Roc goes the same way. I may be wrong (usually am) but I can’t see the retail demand being out there for it to go any differently. Coming to Being stolen from a driveway near to you very soon 
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