Get rid or keep?
Discussion
Sheepshanks said:
Mate of mine, who isn't really a car person, got an RX450h on lease. He uses it like you do - quite a few miles and often long motorway trips.
I don't think it occured to him the hybrid doesn't help on those trips and fueling a 3.5 litre petrol V6 in a chunky body is never going to produce decent MPG. He came out of a 520d BMW - he knew the MPG would be worse, but he didn't realise it would be as bad as it is.
My mate has one, over 300hp, sixty in about 7 seconds and its the size of a bus. Gets 36mpg average. Pretty good for a big petrol bus i thought? I don't think it occured to him the hybrid doesn't help on those trips and fueling a 3.5 litre petrol V6 in a chunky body is never going to produce decent MPG. He came out of a 520d BMW - he knew the MPG would be worse, but he didn't realise it would be as bad as it is.
Sounds like you should get rid and go and buy the 3 series if that's the car you really want.
I bought a Volvo V60 thinking I was buying a sensible car and I regretted it after the first few weeks, I stuck with it for about 18 months and ended up losing about £3k on it. Hated the car every time something went wrong with it, which it did quite a lot in 18 months. Sold it to a car buying company.
I'm back in a much less practical car now but I'm happy.
I bought a Volvo V60 thinking I was buying a sensible car and I regretted it after the first few weeks, I stuck with it for about 18 months and ended up losing about £3k on it. Hated the car every time something went wrong with it, which it did quite a lot in 18 months. Sold it to a car buying company.
I'm back in a much less practical car now but I'm happy.
AlphaRomeo said:
I recently bought a Lexus IS300h Executive Edition (~£15k with extended warranty and service plan).
The CVT is annoying, the car feels like it has half the horsepower it actually does and the lack of response at roundabout etc takes some getting used to.
I agree, the CVT is rather 'marmite' but the instant torque (especially in sport mode) makes it very quick off the line. You will get a delay in ECO mode though. The CVT is annoying, the car feels like it has half the horsepower it actually does and the lack of response at roundabout etc takes some getting used to.
I've had mine for 2 years now and still love it.
biggbn said:
My mate has one, over 300hp, sixty in about 7 seconds and its the size of a bus. Gets 36mpg average. Pretty good for a big petrol bus i thought?
I guess the crucial thing is what does does his 'average' use comprise of?Mate was thinking same - mid 30's - but didn't allow for getting mid 20's on motorway trips. He'd be doing 90 wherever possible though, so that won't be helping.
Sheepshanks said:
I guess the crucial thing is what does does his 'average' use comprise of?
Mate was thinking same - mid 30's - but didn't allow for getting mid 20's on motorway trips. He'd be doing 90 wherever possible though, so that won't be helping.
It’s the size of a RR, XC 90, etc, I’m sure they don’t do any better. Mate was thinking same - mid 30's - but didn't allow for getting mid 20's on motorway trips. He'd be doing 90 wherever possible though, so that won't be helping.
OP, what are expecting from it? It’s no sports car but very capable, my wife has one and it’s our car of choice when comfort is the priority, we’ve had 320d and it replaced a 530i which was just too big and poor ride quality. The Lexus is so smooth and certainly not slow, yes the eCVT does have a slight delay sometimes, but only when flooring it, using sport mode eliminates that for me, it’s actually reasonably quick off the mark as the battery and engine combine.
The running cost, reliability and general fit and finish is excellent, 99% of the time it’s ideal and the cvt not a problem, it’s gets a lot of unfair criticism from people who have spent 5 minutes with it, day to day it’s a great car, give it a chance.
The running cost, reliability and general fit and finish is excellent, 99% of the time it’s ideal and the cvt not a problem, it’s gets a lot of unfair criticism from people who have spent 5 minutes with it, day to day it’s a great car, give it a chance.
Sheepshanks said:
Mate of mine, who isn't really a car person, got an RX450h on lease. He uses it like you do - quite a few miles and often long motorway trips.
I don't think it occured to him the hybrid doesn't help on those trips and fueling a 3.5 litre petrol V6 in a chunky body is never going to produce decent MPG. He came out of a 520d BMW - he knew the MPG would be worse, but he didn't realise it would be as bad as it is.
I’ve driven an rx450h 06 model.I don't think it occured to him the hybrid doesn't help on those trips and fueling a 3.5 litre petrol V6 in a chunky body is never going to produce decent MPG. He came out of a 520d BMW - he knew the MPG would be worse, but he didn't realise it would be as bad as it is.
The cvt is actually very good and seems to work extremely well.
Mpg isn’t the best but then money you spend in fuel you save in silly repairs and down time in a German car.
Sheepshanks said:
biggbn said:
My mate has one, over 300hp, sixty in about 7 seconds and its the size of a bus. Gets 36mpg average. Pretty good for a big petrol bus i thought?
I guess the crucial thing is what does does his 'average' use comprise of?Mate was thinking same - mid 30's - but didn't allow for getting mid 20's on motorway trips. He'd be doing 90 wherever possible though, so that won't be helping.
jamoor said:
snotrag said:
For 25k miles a year up and down the motorway a modern diesel is impossible to beat.
Find a BMW or Merc diesel.
I’d say a hybrid is better as the battery power provides assistance at overtaking etcFind a BMW or Merc diesel.
For town use, varying speed, stop/start, Hybrid is great (thougth doesnt make anywhere near as much sense as full electric).
At 25k miles a year - the majority of the miles are spent at cruise on a motorway.
You are dragging round batterie/capacitors/motors that you do no need. Its less efficient.
A modern diesel engine, despite not being 'trendy', is very efficient in this usage.
I took a £4k loss on a 335D over 5 months, that was having put 10k miles on it but it just wasn’t the right car for my life, if I’d have bought an estate things might have been different - swapped for an E220cdi wagon that I love and still have 19 months later.
If you’re unsure but think you want a bmw, I’d get on the AUC site and find what you can get for £14k, you’ll get the first years warranty included and be fine, then you can extent after the first year. If it’s a 25k mike per year car a 320D auto will be perfect, and if you can stretch to a 330D you’ll love it. Don’t worry about mileage (I.e trying to find a low one) because it’s warrantied anyway.
If you’re unsure but think you want a bmw, I’d get on the AUC site and find what you can get for £14k, you’ll get the first years warranty included and be fine, then you can extent after the first year. If it’s a 25k mike per year car a 320D auto will be perfect, and if you can stretch to a 330D you’ll love it. Don’t worry about mileage (I.e trying to find a low one) because it’s warrantied anyway.
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