RE: Bugatti Veyron 16.4 | PH Used Buying Guide
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1781cc said:
Interesting fact not mentioned in the article is that all the engineering is bolted into a car not much bigger than the original TT
Yup. In 2010 I stood next to a convertible one in Berlin, think it was inside a dealership, was quite surprised how small it was as I was expecting something to dwarf a flagship Lamborghini.998420 said:
A really good, informative, fun buying guide to the most pointless car ever
If you have the money to own one, you probably don't want to go to prison for using it, so it is essentially useless, but costs tens or hundreds of thousands to run
To experience for 10 minutes, and risk jail for that small moment, would be the only sane way to experience this car
oooh, don’t use the “pointless” word, I did that once and got a barrage of abuse If you have the money to own one, you probably don't want to go to prison for using it, so it is essentially useless, but costs tens or hundreds of thousands to run
To experience for 10 minutes, and risk jail for that small moment, would be the only sane way to experience this car
there is clearly a “point” to this car so by definition it can’t be “pointless” 
That said, while I marvel at the engineering etc, it still leaves me cold.rotaryjam said:
I find these very Brutish in looks and engineering.
A monkey could tell you that sticking a massive engine in a car, bolting on 4 turbos and 10 radiators to cool it all will make a fast car - hardly a sophisticated approach.
I'd much rather something like an F1 personally.
I think you’re missing the point a little. A monkey could tell you that sticking a massive engine in a car, bolting on 4 turbos and 10 radiators to cool it all will make a fast car - hardly a sophisticated approach.
I'd much rather something like an F1 personally.
It’s not the top speed, acceleration, handling, practicalities or sheer opulence that stand out as sophisticated in isolation; the brilliance is that it can do all of these things at once.
rotaryjam said:
I find these very Brutish in looks and engineering.
A monkey could tell you that sticking a massive engine in a car, bolting on 4 turbos and 10 radiators to cool it all will make a fast car - hardly a sophisticated approach.
I'd much rather something like an F1 personally.
What a strange comment, everything you said can be applied to almost every car....A monkey could tell you that sticking a massive engine in a car, bolting on 4 turbos and 10 radiators to cool it all will make a fast car - hardly a sophisticated approach.
I'd much rather something like an F1 personally.
Some very strange, grumpy and just totally negative people on this site, it seriously makes you regret coming to the comment section or even this site altogether..
Shame!!!
rotaryjam said:
I find these very Brutish in looks and engineering.
A monkey could tell you that sticking a massive engine in a car, bolting on 4 turbos and 10 radiators to cool it all will make a fast car - hardly a sophisticated approach.
I'd much rather something like an F1 personally.
It’s not a sophisticated concept to add all those things on to a car to make it go fast, and there are plenty of much lighter more compact pushrod V8’s making the same numbers. The sophistication is in the execution, in making it all work, while passing all of VW’s quality and durability tests. A monkey could tell you that sticking a massive engine in a car, bolting on 4 turbos and 10 radiators to cool it all will make a fast car - hardly a sophisticated approach.
I'd much rather something like an F1 personally.
But I agree with you, it’s not for me. Somewhat sadly, I don’t think an F1 would be either; a car that can scare Martin Brundle while ambling over some wet leaves would probably kill me. I might be better off in an F50 (allegedly much less tricky than the Mac) or LFA.
Syndrome280 said:
Yup. In 2010 I stood next to a convertible one in Berlin, think it was inside a dealership, was quite surprised how small it was as I was expecting something to dwarf a flagship Lamborghini.
Saw the same car - in the VW dealership near Unter-der-Linden. They also had an exhibition of all the custom leathers and woods available for Bentley. The wife and kids had zero interest so we moved on.
Fun article. Many thanks.
I would be cautious about some of the internet myths about this car though. The one about the average owner having 83 other cars etc. Think about it. Do you think Bugatti asked every owner to fill out a form detailing their assets? Like they would....
Or the independent analysis of how much Bugatti lost on each car. This would depend a lot on how much start up costs were written off against this as opposed to the Chiron. The name was purchased. A factory had to be built. And obviously there's considerable profits still being made in keeping the cars running. And as far as I am aware, VW did not provide a breakdown so it's all guess work....
I would be cautious about some of the internet myths about this car though. The one about the average owner having 83 other cars etc. Think about it. Do you think Bugatti asked every owner to fill out a form detailing their assets? Like they would....
Or the independent analysis of how much Bugatti lost on each car. This would depend a lot on how much start up costs were written off against this as opposed to the Chiron. The name was purchased. A factory had to be built. And obviously there's considerable profits still being made in keeping the cars running. And as far as I am aware, VW did not provide a breakdown so it's all guess work....
Gad-Westy said:
alfaspecial said:
@Gad-Westy You'd also have to allow time to stop for new tyres SEVEN times on the journey in the Veyron......
Repeat Quote "Through its own testing Bugatti found that at a steady 248mph the tyres would be shot after 37 miles." End Quote
287 / 37 = 7.75 times
LOL, madness. I wonder if more modern tyres address that. If not, maybe you'd have to cruise along at a more leisurely 220mph or so. Repeat Quote "Through its own testing Bugatti found that at a steady 248mph the tyres would be shot after 37 miles." End Quote
287 / 37 = 7.75 times
Sure, it might limit the car's potential top speed whenever fitted, but it would be no worse a situation than having a set of winters stored in the garage.
howardhughes said:
alfaspecial said:
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"Perhaps now would be the time to mention that, even if you're doing the official combined fuel consumption figure of just under 12mpg, the £124 it would cost to fill that 22-gallon tank would need to be spent again after just 240 miles. YMMV of course. If you were driving at 248mph everywhere, as you might in parts of the Middle East, you would be getting 1.7mpg. "
End Quote.
Question: Which car would win this race: From central Bath to Keswick, - a distance of 278 miles via Ambleside (287 if via Penrith M6 junction) - a Bugatti Veyron or a Citroen C1?
The race regulation(s) being that
1) All roads have been closed off specially for the race, and
2) Both cars must travel at maximum throttle, through every gear, at all times
Answer: It probably wouldn't be the Veyron!
Why? At 1.7mpg the Veyron would empty it's tank every 37 miles - given that the British motorway network has service stations at an average distance of 28 miles, you would have to slow down, pull in, stop, fill up with fuel (pay for it!) - and then accelerate back up to full speed - at every single service station
The hare and the tortoise!
Still I'd love to be the one to have actually 'lost' after having driven a Veyron at full chat though!
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you need to get out more, (Covid permitting of course)"Perhaps now would be the time to mention that, even if you're doing the official combined fuel consumption figure of just under 12mpg, the £124 it would cost to fill that 22-gallon tank would need to be spent again after just 240 miles. YMMV of course. If you were driving at 248mph everywhere, as you might in parts of the Middle East, you would be getting 1.7mpg. "
End Quote.
Question: Which car would win this race: From central Bath to Keswick, - a distance of 278 miles via Ambleside (287 if via Penrith M6 junction) - a Bugatti Veyron or a Citroen C1?
The race regulation(s) being that
1) All roads have been closed off specially for the race, and
2) Both cars must travel at maximum throttle, through every gear, at all times
Answer: It probably wouldn't be the Veyron!
Why? At 1.7mpg the Veyron would empty it's tank every 37 miles - given that the British motorway network has service stations at an average distance of 28 miles, you would have to slow down, pull in, stop, fill up with fuel (pay for it!) - and then accelerate back up to full speed - at every single service station
The hare and the tortoise!
Still I'd love to be the one to have actually 'lost' after having driven a Veyron at full chat though!
Edited by alfaspecial on Sunday 4th April 04:00
If I won the Euro Millions I would have one of these in a heartbeat.
I'd then spend 2 years driving it everywhere in all weathers just for the fun of it, get pictures taken all over Europe of it covered in filth and road grime, let anyone who asked nicely to sit in it or have a picture taken with it, put a sticker on the inside of the engine cover of every country I visited and then auction it off for charity at the end.
What a way to blow £1m.
I'd then spend 2 years driving it everywhere in all weathers just for the fun of it, get pictures taken all over Europe of it covered in filth and road grime, let anyone who asked nicely to sit in it or have a picture taken with it, put a sticker on the inside of the engine cover of every country I visited and then auction it off for charity at the end.
What a way to blow £1m.
alfaspecial said:
howardhughes said:
alfaspecial said:
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"Perhaps now would be the time to mention that, even if you're doing the official combined fuel consumption figure of just under 12mpg, the £124 it would cost to fill that 22-gallon tank would need to be spent again after just 240 miles. YMMV of course. If you were driving at 248mph everywhere, as you might in parts of the Middle East, you would be getting 1.7mpg. "
End Quote.
Question: Which car would win this race: From central Bath to Keswick, - a distance of 278 miles via Ambleside (287 if via Penrith M6 junction) - a Bugatti Veyron or a Citroen C1?
The race regulation(s) being that
1) All roads have been closed off specially for the race, and
2) Both cars must travel at maximum throttle, through every gear, at all times
Answer: It probably wouldn't be the Veyron!
Why? At 1.7mpg the Veyron would empty it's tank every 37 miles - given that the British motorway network has service stations at an average distance of 28 miles, you would have to slow down, pull in, stop, fill up with fuel (pay for it!) - and then accelerate back up to full speed - at every single service station
The hare and the tortoise!
Still I'd love to be the one to have actually 'lost' after having driven a Veyron at full chat though!
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you need to get out more, (Covid permitting of course)"Perhaps now would be the time to mention that, even if you're doing the official combined fuel consumption figure of just under 12mpg, the £124 it would cost to fill that 22-gallon tank would need to be spent again after just 240 miles. YMMV of course. If you were driving at 248mph everywhere, as you might in parts of the Middle East, you would be getting 1.7mpg. "
End Quote.
Question: Which car would win this race: From central Bath to Keswick, - a distance of 278 miles via Ambleside (287 if via Penrith M6 junction) - a Bugatti Veyron or a Citroen C1?
The race regulation(s) being that
1) All roads have been closed off specially for the race, and
2) Both cars must travel at maximum throttle, through every gear, at all times
Answer: It probably wouldn't be the Veyron!
Why? At 1.7mpg the Veyron would empty it's tank every 37 miles - given that the British motorway network has service stations at an average distance of 28 miles, you would have to slow down, pull in, stop, fill up with fuel (pay for it!) - and then accelerate back up to full speed - at every single service station
The hare and the tortoise!
Still I'd love to be the one to have actually 'lost' after having driven a Veyron at full chat though!
Edited by alfaspecial on Sunday 4th April 04:00
By my calculation it would cost you £996 in petrol to make the journey, which is small change when calculating the costs in tyres -
287miles @ £1081 per mile = £310 thousand pounds!
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"The price for a full set of tyres is around £25,000 today, which is another bargain as that used to be nearer to £40,000. Through its own testing Bugatti found that at a steady 248mph the tyres would be shot after 37 miles. If you took the top tyre cost estimate that would equate to £1,081 a mile just for rubber."
End Quote
@Gad-Westy You'd also have to allow time to stop for new tyres SEVEN times on the journey in the Veyron......
Repeat Quote "Through its own testing Bugatti found that at a steady 248mph the tyres would be shot after 37 miles." End Quote
287 / 37 = 7.75 times
Just under £2800 per minute. In tyres.
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