Automotive Fakery
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I don't understand what it "fake" about an electric parking brake - the button really does apply the brake.
What would be fake would be to have a handbrake lever in a car with a fully automatic electric handbrake. The handbrake would apply itself anyway when required, but there would be a lever people can pull up pointlessly to "add driver involvement".
Returning to fake exhausts, are there any EVs which have fake exhausts because the ICE version of the same car has one? That would be really silly, and even more so if they fitted a small kettle and fan behind it to produce realistic looking exhaust steam on a cold morning....
What would be fake would be to have a handbrake lever in a car with a fully automatic electric handbrake. The handbrake would apply itself anyway when required, but there would be a lever people can pull up pointlessly to "add driver involvement".
Returning to fake exhausts, are there any EVs which have fake exhausts because the ICE version of the same car has one? That would be really silly, and even more so if they fitted a small kettle and fan behind it to produce realistic looking exhaust steam on a cold morning....
Limpet said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
UIltimatly what stopped me buying an M4. a shame but BMW love fake engine
It can be coded out. If that was the most serious dislike, you could have got it sorted relatively easily and cheaply.It’s because everyone wants something that looks fancy/sporty, without the disadvantages that they bring in the real world like the noise, hard suspension and poor fuel economy. It’s just an extension of what BMW started with ‘M Sport’ trim available on their smallest engine models, which must have worked as every manufacturer is at it now. You need a fairly long beard to be able to tell a 1.0 Fiesta ‘ST Line’ apart from the real thing, and although I hate it too you can’t really blame car companies for making products that people want to buy.
At first I really hated symposers, but turbos and gpf’s have made even performance cars so quiet that they’ve had to find other ways to get around it. My hybrid Range Rover with the crappy 2l petrol sounds like a V8 when I floor it which I don’t mind so much. In fact it sounds quite good…It’s better than whatever the real noise would be and if I wanted to hear real V8 noises all the time in my daily driver I’d have bought the SVR instead (I don’t). One thing I do really, really hate is pop and bang remaps (or maybe standard factory fit?) usually on (knackered) VAG cars or old ST’s, which juvenile drivers love to show off in any built up area. They should be doomed to a Prius for life as penance.
The antidote is simple. Mine’s a modified track focused Clio 182 Trophy, which is loud, bumpy, rattly, smelly and makes the gf instantly car sick. It’s brilliant.
At first I really hated symposers, but turbos and gpf’s have made even performance cars so quiet that they’ve had to find other ways to get around it. My hybrid Range Rover with the crappy 2l petrol sounds like a V8 when I floor it which I don’t mind so much. In fact it sounds quite good…It’s better than whatever the real noise would be and if I wanted to hear real V8 noises all the time in my daily driver I’d have bought the SVR instead (I don’t). One thing I do really, really hate is pop and bang remaps (or maybe standard factory fit?) usually on (knackered) VAG cars or old ST’s, which juvenile drivers love to show off in any built up area. They should be doomed to a Prius for life as penance.
The antidote is simple. Mine’s a modified track focused Clio 182 Trophy, which is loud, bumpy, rattly, smelly and makes the gf instantly car sick. It’s brilliant.
GroundZero said:
More to add to the list of fakery and silliness is the electronic handbrake when a manual handbrake was always sufficient, engine stop-start 'technology', rev-hang on manual gearboxes, push-button engine start along with de-pressing of clutch before push-button engine start can activate, keyless entry etc.
OK rant now fully out of my system, over to you guys
I'll go back to shouting at clouds for the rest of the day!
I think you just enjoy whining. Electronic hand brakes frees up a lot of space on the centre console for cup holders, power points, and means there doesn't need to be several hundred grand's worth of injection mould tooling for both left and right hand drive centre consoles with the handbrake relocated each time.OK rant now fully out of my system, over to you guys
I'll go back to shouting at clouds for the rest of the day!
Stop-start is because people buy on MPG and tax (i.e. emissions figures). Rev hang is because of emissions (i.e. tax band).
Push button start is because there's no need for a key blade since security has driven everything to transponders now, and there's no need to have something dangling in the cabin over the driver's knee.
Clutch to start is because people are morons and crank the engine in gear and shunt walls or other parked cars etc.
Come on - this isn't difficult.
Women (and some chaps/other gender identities are available) wear make up, wonderbras, spanx etc.
People wear shoes to make them taller.
Am looking out of a fake leaded window.
The world is full of fakery, artistic license and whatever, wouldnt worry too much about it.
I did remove the "Symposer" from my car, once modified it amplified every daft noise the engine was making into the passenger footwell.
People wear shoes to make them taller.
Am looking out of a fake leaded window.
The world is full of fakery, artistic license and whatever, wouldnt worry too much about it.
I did remove the "Symposer" from my car, once modified it amplified every daft noise the engine was making into the passenger footwell.
jamieduff1981 said:
GroundZero said:
More to add to the list of fakery and silliness is the electronic handbrake when a manual handbrake was always sufficient, engine stop-start 'technology', rev-hang on manual gearboxes, push-button engine start along with de-pressing of clutch before push-button engine start can activate, keyless entry etc.
OK rant now fully out of my system, over to you guys
I'll go back to shouting at clouds for the rest of the day!
Clutch to start is because people are morons and crank the engine in gear and shunt walls or other parked cars etc.OK rant now fully out of my system, over to you guys
I'll go back to shouting at clouds for the rest of the day!
It's 15 years old, with a manual gearbox, 2WD, no turbos, a viscous LSD, a simple TC system that gets turned off every time I get in the car, and very few other mod cons.
I don't think the clutch to start thing is particularly new.
I'm with you on this, I've always thought do it properly or don't bother. I find the fakery rather cringeworthy.
I see a lot of this fakery as a just a follow on from the Ghia, Vanden plas, GLS, GTX badge snobbery of the 70's and 80's.
"Yeah I got them quad exhausts bro, with a 'carbon' (plastic) diffuser, you only got a double!"
I see a lot of this fakery as a just a follow on from the Ghia, Vanden plas, GLS, GTX badge snobbery of the 70's and 80's.
"Yeah I got them quad exhausts bro, with a 'carbon' (plastic) diffuser, you only got a double!"
emperorburger said:
Limpet said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
UIltimatly what stopped me buying an M4. a shame but BMW love fake engine
It can be coded out. If that was the most serious dislike, you could have got it sorted relatively easily and cheaply.With regards to "fake" vents, quite a number of them, especially on front wings above the skirts, are not vents at all but sharp edges to give clean separation for boundary layer control. People who know a lot less than they think they know will decree it as fakery, but they serve a fully functioning purpose - only that purpose isn't what the Dunning-Kruger-afflicted self-professed expert assumes it's there to mimic.
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