RE: Gavan Kershaw on Lotus Emira | PH Meets
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otolith said:
Pretty sure that I heard in the Carfection interview that the cars would look identical whether on the tour or sport pack.
Yes GK did say that but he may have been talking bodywork rather than ride height.I think Lotuses with sport suspension have tended to ride lower than the touring/standard models going back a long way. For instance, my sport S1 Elise is/was a fair bit lower than the standard car.
shoestring7 said:
Lotus bloke said:
"It'll never feel lazy, it will breathe into the road and out of the road", he continues, "it's not got that trapped feel".
Why do other manufacturers of 'sporting' (or even non-sporting) cars find the desirability of this so hard to get their heads around?Mushroom12 said:
jl4069 said:
I try my best not to look at auto sites anymore, but sometimes i like to see if there is any automotive journalism left. The main aspect of lotus cars has always been about their chassis'. The one question the journalist should have asked Gavin is, how different to the Evora is the Emira? And what changes to the older platform have you made? Sad state of affairs for journalism of all types, j
This is the question I'm curious about. The Emira looks like an updated Evora to me, and I'm hoping that it's a bit more than that!I love this car - if there is any common sense left in the world these will be selling like hot cakes. Looks fantastic and not too big either. If I had £60 or 70k to spaff on a car I'd definitely have one.
I assume the V6 will be the 'top of the line', super fast model? In which case I'd be wanting mine with a DCT or sequential paddle shift not an auto box with paddle shift. Not complaining, just saying.
I would wish Lotus good luck with this, but I don't think they'll need it
I assume the V6 will be the 'top of the line', super fast model? In which case I'd be wanting mine with a DCT or sequential paddle shift not an auto box with paddle shift. Not complaining, just saying.
I would wish Lotus good luck with this, but I don't think they'll need it
aja001 said:
I sold my Evora last year, this really is a straight replacement and is almost a reset, picking up where the Evora began in the marketplace (somewhere between Cayman and 911) before going up in price and power which left it looking very badly made and finished for the price. I think they're confusing people saying it replaces the Elise/Exige, it doesn't and the weight doesn't matter, drive an Evora and you will see why. They seem to have sorted the packaging issue which the 2+2 format created by forcing the driver too close to the front wheels, you couldn't get in and out without putting the seat back, very annoying day to day!
They do seem to have focused on the real issues which held the Evora back, slightly odd styling, awful build quality, awkward packaging, wrong market positioning and outdated interior. I hope it's enough for this to do well, if they've maintained the steering/handling ride which I'm sure they have, it will have a unique offering as nothing I have driven before or since touches how an Evora handles British roads (Alpine, various Porsches, M cars etc included).
Exactly right. And later Evora prices will tumble as a direct result, 2+2 or not.They do seem to have focused on the real issues which held the Evora back, slightly odd styling, awful build quality, awkward packaging, wrong market positioning and outdated interior. I hope it's enough for this to do well, if they've maintained the steering/handling ride which I'm sure they have, it will have a unique offering as nothing I have driven before or since touches how an Evora handles British roads (Alpine, various Porsches, M cars etc included).
SidewaysSi said:
shoestring7 said:
Lotus bloke said:
"It'll never feel lazy, it will breathe into the road and out of the road", he continues, "it's not got that trapped feel".
Why do other manufacturers of 'sporting' (or even non-sporting) cars find the desirability of this so hard to get their heads around?
Caddyshack said:
CraigyMc said:
MDMetal said:
Has there been any info on the V6 pricing?
The manual V6 first edition is ~£85K, and will arrive before any AMG Emiras, which are the cars that will start at £60K.The £60K car uses a mass-producted M-B M139 motor which while high-tech in terms of development isn't actually all that expensive because the parts are all made in huge numbers and most of it isn't that special. Lotus have developed their own intake and exhaust for it (to fit to the car), along with their own maps for the motor and gearbox, hence the odd 360bhp number against the M-B A45 at 380bhp and the M-B A45S at 416bhp from the same engine.
The Toyota V6 is expensive/special because of the supercharger, the rest being more or less typical Camry bits (and the gearbox is Avensis and RAV4-spec). The supercharger makes the motor more of a hand-built thing. In the Emira it may or may not come with some fancy exhaust on the later/faster models (Titanium was available at the end of Exige production, for a price, for example).
I agree with other people on here, I think there's quite a lot of scope for taking weight out of the car to make a more hardcore version after launch (fixed lightweight sports seats, lithium battery, titanium exhaust). Likely they will offer other things like carbon roof and so on, and I'm saying that purely because they've done it before on their other cars.
CABC said:
SidewaysSi said:
shoestring7 said:
Lotus bloke said:
"It'll never feel lazy, it will breathe into the road and out of the road", he continues, "it's not got that trapped feel".
Why do other manufacturers of 'sporting' (or even non-sporting) cars find the desirability of this so hard to get their heads around?I can't be doing with hard riding cars on the road - ruins the enjoyment for me and inevitably is a lot slower too.
I have a feeling that the ‘base’ car at probably £65k with the posh stereo and DCT AMG combo will be the one to have as possibly the best daily driver for the money.
Can be 90% sure up to 100 + the 2.0 will be just as quick as the V6 real world possibly a bit quicker given the DCT, economy will be really good too.
Sure the noise won’t be as good but then I see a turbo 4 as more ‘lotus’ than a big V6, Esprit etc. I know it’s Taboo but I wonder what the PCP deals will be 3 years 15k a year probably loopy!
Can be 90% sure up to 100 + the 2.0 will be just as quick as the V6 real world possibly a bit quicker given the DCT, economy will be really good too.
Sure the noise won’t be as good but then I see a turbo 4 as more ‘lotus’ than a big V6, Esprit etc. I know it’s Taboo but I wonder what the PCP deals will be 3 years 15k a year probably loopy!
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