RE: VW previews flagship EV saloon with new ID.Aero
Discussion
Gez79 said:
But aren't they being made to share their charging network?
Already underway in Europe.Nothing against Tesla, they were / still are the disruptor that the industry needed.
Onto the ID.Aero, be interesting to see how close it gets to that 385 at a motorway cruise.
In real world I'm seeing 90% of WLTP on motorway use (weather dependant etc etc). Hoping the next Macan has an option that will do >385 on WLTP.
JonnyVTEC said:
highway said:
What a bland design.
Tesla design is also bland.
Why would Tesla choose to open up their charger network to non Tesla cars? How is that good for them?
Tesla design is also bland.
Why would Tesla choose to open up their charger network to non Tesla cars? How is that good for them?
- opens Tesla app to see “charge your non Tesla”
There's 3 things that put me off any EV made by VW at the moment...
1) The shocking temp/volume controls and rear window controls. All to save money.
2) The lack of one pedal driving. They have a B mode for engine braking, but that's not one pedal. Other manufacturers manage it, why can't VW?
3) Servicing, like most manufacturers, VW want you to pay £150-£250 each year for them to admire the car, and top up the wiper fluid.
Those are the 3 primary reasons I wouldn't consider a VW EV.
1) The shocking temp/volume controls and rear window controls. All to save money.
2) The lack of one pedal driving. They have a B mode for engine braking, but that's not one pedal. Other manufacturers manage it, why can't VW?
3) Servicing, like most manufacturers, VW want you to pay £150-£250 each year for them to admire the car, and top up the wiper fluid.
Those are the 3 primary reasons I wouldn't consider a VW EV.
manracer said:
Evil.soup said:
I genuinely believe that with mainstream brands finally creating every day saloon cars, the domination of Tesla is in trouble.
Im not an EV fan, but it's good to see more and more "normal" brands making these cars now.
Have you used the touch screen in any VAG vehicle of late?Im not an EV fan, but it's good to see more and more "normal" brands making these cars now.
Likewise have you used the touch screens in a Tesla?
I have owned both and VAG still have a very long way to go IMO.
Im not saying Tesla are uncatchable and I admit the Tesla fit and finish leaves a lot on the table, but from the VAG side of things, they aren't amazing either.
Then we have the charging network, then the service requirements that VAG still push to name a few.
Have VAG sorted proper one pedal driving yet?
The plastics and fabrics in the VW interior were comically bad for a near £40k car and the less said about the user interface, haptic buttons etc the better. This is from a company that has been building cars for 75 years vs 14.
That said, I'm surprised that some of the Tesla's supposedly game changing stuff is not as good as I'd expected. For example you hear so much about Tesla 'self driving' technology and yet a fairly basic function such as active cruise control in the VW was far superior, not to mention the VW had apple carplay which makes the basic Bluetooth connectivity in the Tesla feel old hat.
Competition can only be a good thing though.
manracer said:
Evil.soup said:
I genuinely believe that with mainstream brands finally creating every day saloon cars, the domination of Tesla is in trouble.
Im not an EV fan, but it's good to see more and more "normal" brands making these cars now.
Have you used the touch screen in any VAG vehicle of late?Im not an EV fan, but it's good to see more and more "normal" brands making these cars now.
Likewise have you used the touch screens in a Tesla?
I have owned both and VAG still have a very long way to go IMO.
Im not saying Tesla are uncatchable and I admit the Tesla fit and finish leaves a lot on the table, but from the VAG side of things, they aren't amazing either.
Then we have the charging network, then the service requirements that VAG still push to name a few.
Have VAG sorted proper one pedal driving yet?
Tesla are without doubt going to be a major player in the car industry from now on. Can't see them being worth the same as the next 6 or 7 players combined though ( or whatever it is at this moment ). Not clear they have any real sustainable long term advantage over the rest.
manracer said:
Evil.soup said:
I genuinely believe that with mainstream brands finally creating every day saloon cars, the domination of Tesla is in trouble.
Im not an EV fan, but it's good to see more and more "normal" brands making these cars now.
Have you used the touch screen in any VAG vehicle of late?Im not an EV fan, but it's good to see more and more "normal" brands making these cars now.
Likewise have you used the touch screens in a Tesla?
I have owned both and VAG still have a very long way to go IMO.
Im not saying Tesla are uncatchable and I admit the Tesla fit and finish leaves a lot on the table, but from the VAG side of things, they aren't amazing either.
Then we have the charging network, then the service requirements that VAG still push to name a few.
Have VAG sorted proper one pedal driving yet?
My thinking is, those that are a little afraid of stepping into new brands will be far quicker to buy a VW over a Tesla, more over, the badge snobbery remains with the die hard VDUB band of brothers. The same applies to all the "mainstream" brands, sheep love familiarity.
rampageturke said:
Looks very large boring
FTFY.It is nice to see manufacturers doing more "normal car" EVs though. I know that seemingly everyone wants an SUV but in my head, building an EV where range could be maximised by building something sleek like a Taycan vs a 2 tonne brick shaped thing makes sense. I'd be far more likely to be interested in an EV estate for example over an SUV...
Silvanus said:
I'm assuming with the ever increasing ID range, the conventional line-up of cars like the Passat and Golf will be phased out over time? Would there be any point in an EV Golf and an ID hatchback? I've also heard rumours there will be a retro ID with nods to the beetle
I have wondered why VW ‘seem’ to be abandoning literally millions of euros worth of sub branding investment over decades with the golf etc to go and make the new sub brand ‘ID’Would love s9me marketing guru to explain the logic - the golf and polo especially have always had a big following - why not take those people towards the golf e or polo e (i realise that was a different model way back, and the egolf they launched was not very good)
Piston Heads. I'd like to make an observation. It seems somewhat hypocritical to advertise/feature EV cars on your website when we all know EV cars do not have any 'Pistons' So It might be wise to create another website and call it, say, EVHeads.
This way all those with appliances can happily talk about charging times and leave the rest of the brigade to talk about 'Real' cars on here.
Just a thought.
This way all those with appliances can happily talk about charging times and leave the rest of the brigade to talk about 'Real' cars on here.
Just a thought.
phil4 said:
There's 3 things that put me off any EV made by VW at the moment...
1) The shocking temp/volume controls and rear window controls. All to save money.
2) The lack of one pedal driving. They have a B mode for engine braking, but that's not one pedal. Other manufacturers manage it, why can't VW?
3) Servicing, like most manufacturers, VW want you to pay £150-£250 each year for them to admire the car, and top up the wiper fluid.
Those are the 3 primary reasons I wouldn't consider a VW EV.
Points 2 & 3 are fair enough, but I don’t understand the first.1) The shocking temp/volume controls and rear window controls. All to save money.
2) The lack of one pedal driving. They have a B mode for engine braking, but that's not one pedal. Other manufacturers manage it, why can't VW?
3) Servicing, like most manufacturers, VW want you to pay £150-£250 each year for them to admire the car, and top up the wiper fluid.
Those are the 3 primary reasons I wouldn't consider a VW EV.
I very rarely find it necessary to change the temperature and run with climate control and ventilation set to auto all year round.
I guess that’s why I don’t feel the need to easily open and close all the windows.
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