F Pace has possibly committed engine suicide

[Bobupndown]

Sorry for your troubles with this.
Another real life example which reinforces my decision to never buy an Ingenium engined car.

[TheHighlander]

Keep your fingers crossed for me.

Purchased the tool today for locking the engine, managed to get it for £97 and the timing chain kit with VVT for £255 from a JLR specialist.

If it’s just the chain kit and this gets it running we are trading it in the day after, will need to take a loss on it but I think it’s better than the latter.

DPF is new
New timing chain kit
Camshaft sensor
Piston oil cooling solenoid
Turbo under warranty and has 12k on it

All the common issues are resolved. But personally I want to part ways with it, my friend thinks keeping it could be a good idea but I think not.

Not sure what to replace it with if we do but we can figure that out later.

If it needs an engine I’ll stick new chains on it whilst it’s not in the car and probably keep it for a bit as we will be in deep cash wise 😂🙈

Rafts of ste.

I know of others having trouble free miles but it seems a bit of a lottery.

[rallycross]

There is a company in Essex who specialise in fixing these horrible engines.
They did a step by step video guide on how to do the job.
Its on one of the salvage rebuild channels I watch on youtube I will see if I can find a link (watched it 2 months ago) hope it helps.

simple solution avoid buying crap Land Rover products they are expensive junk.

[carinaman]

TheHighlander said:

If it needs an engine I’ll stick new chains on it whilst it’s not in the car and probably keep it for a bit as we will be in deep cash wise ????

That'll be a new one?

From Escy's thread the engines are so prone to going wrong there's very few used engines available that are any good and the ones that may be good, or less bad, are highly priced.

[rallycross]

rallycross said:

There is a company in Essex who specialise in fixing these horrible engines.
They did a step by step video guide on how to do the job.
Its on one of the salvage rebuild channels I watch on youtube I will see if I can find a link (watched it 2 months ago) hope it helps.

simple solution avoid buying crap Land Rover products they are expensive junk.

here is the link

https://youtu.be/hWH06lu7j4U

[P. ONeill]

I’ve mentioned it on the other thread but I really don’t see how JLR are getting away with this.

There are a lot of lightly damaged 2.0D XEs and XFs appearing on salvage auctions. If I was a betting man I’d wager the engines have gone kaput and they’ve magically had a small accident.

[TheHighlander]

carinaman said:

That'll be a new one?

From Escy's thread the engines are so prone to going wrong there's very few used engines available that are any good and the ones that may be good, or less bad, are highly priced.

Sorry when I say new I was meaning new to myself.

I’ve found a few from bare engines at £2700 to complete at £3600ish up to £6k

Again I hope it doesn’t come to this.

Thanks for the video, I just wish my chains were on the side, unfortunately they’re on the rear of the engine but I found a video of a chap doing it on a discovery and you drop the subframe/gearbox and it gets you access.

Next week will tell.

[braddo]

samoht said:

braddo said:

Sorry to read about this. Are the petrols just as problematic ?

Fairly sure the V8 petrol is a safe bet on these.


Good luck OP, as said it seems to be a common issue so hopefully you'll be able to find advice/tools/help as needed.

I was thinking about the petrol 2 litre turbos - they might also be called ingeniums and i'm wondering if they are as bad as the diesels.

[jonwm]

Sorry to hear of your woes.

I remember telling my brother in law about these 2.0d's when he ordered his back in 2018, he's done about 75k in it over the 4 and a bit years and never had a single issues with it, just normal servicing, since covid and working from home is more prevalent his wife uses it to take / collect kids in it twice a day at 2 miles tota, it mainly does short journeys nowadays and never warms up, never had a single DPF light

Just shows you have different 2 cars can be, his is the manual 163bhp one if that makes a difference.

[TheHighlander]

jonwm said:

Sorry to hear of your woes.

I remember telling my brother in law about these 2.0d's when he ordered his back in 2018, he's done about 75k in it over the 4 and a bit years and never had a single issues with it, just normal servicing, since covid and working from home is more prevalent his wife uses it to take / collect kids in it twice a day at 2 miles tota, it mainly does short journeys nowadays and never warms up, never had a single DPF light

Just shows you have different 2 cars can be, his is the manual 163bhp one if that makes a difference.

Yep, they're not all bad but surely after we do this and the chains fix it there is not much more that can go wrong haha.

Just need to wait. I will take some photos when doing it etc as this is way out of my league - I certainly didn't expect to be doing a job of this calibre on the Jag. It will be a bit of fun if it works........If not there will be many tears.

[jeremyh1]

P. ONeill said:

I’ve mentioned it on the other thread but I really don’t see how JLR are getting away with this.

There are a lot of lightly damaged 2.0D XEs and XFs appearing on salvage auctions. If I was a betting man I’d wager the engines have gone kaput and they’ve magically had a small accident.

Yes Phil your right and you might even be right about intended damage !!!!!
These cars are still going for stupid prices even though the repairs may result in a loss when selling it Madness just madness

[TheHighlander]

That’s all the pieces of the puzzle arrived now along with the special tools.

Towing it round to the my pals garage on Wednesday evening and a 7am start on Thursday. Fingers crossed this fixes it.

Going to trade it in on Saturday or take it to WBAC.

[havoc]

P. ONeill said:

I’ve mentioned it on the other thread but I really don’t see how JLR are getting away with this.

Because they only offer a 3-year warranty, and consumer protections in the UK are more limited than they should be. (I suspect in the USA JLR are offering a LOT more goodwill than they do here)


Many people talk about there 'not being a bad car out there anymore', and it's hard to disagree with them from an objective perspective (ignoring reliability).

...but when JLR manage to consistently f-over so many customers, you do have to wonder how they're still going...


(I have to be honest though - I don't get why we still see borked engines through anything other than user-error. ICE tech is so mature, for one, and while I get people are stretching things to hit emissions targets, it doesn't sound like it's necessarily the emissions-related stuff that's failing.)

[TheHighlander]

havoc said:

Because they only offer a 3-year warranty, and consumer protections in the UK are more limited than they should be. (I suspect in the USA JLR are offering a LOT more goodwill than they do here)


Many people talk about there 'not being a bad car out there anymore', and it's hard to disagree with them from an objective perspective (ignoring reliability).

...but when JLR manage to consistently f-over so many customers, you do have to wonder how they're still going...


(I have to be honest though - I don't get why we still see borked engines through anything other than user-error. ICE tech is so mature, for one, and while I get people are stretching things to hit emissions targets, it doesn't sound like it's necessarily the emissions-related stuff that's failing.)

It’s bizarre in the day an age that engines are so soft. Could it be that the fact everything is mass produced on a cheaper scale.

I’ve owned a Evoque which had its issues, L494 RR Sport and it was grief and now the F Pace.

I’ve had Cossys, evos, Imprezas, M3s just to name a few, all big power and I was very hard on them and never had half the issues we have with these newer vehicles.

Either way I need to fix this raft and make a decision 😂 the wife is now saying she wants to keep it. I never drive it I just fix the thing but I wonder if we fix this what the next thing could be..

[TheHighlander]

Well after 11hrs we removed the gearbox etc etc

Fitted new chains/guides and sprockets.

Timed it all up and it’s still rattling 😭

We think it’s got a broken rocker so going to to check that next week.

If it’s that, gearbox and timing gear off again 😂

I’ll be a Jaguar Master Tech at this rate, horrible prick of a vehicle to work on. Anyway I’ve parked it up and away for the weekend so will sort it next week

[TheHighlander]

So the new engine came.

We issue with it, when silverlake were removing the engine they cracked the sump - They called me to let me know and dropped £250 off it which is fair enough - It was a pain to swap the sumps but none the less we cracked on.

Silverlake did a good job of removing the old engine - We were only missing a few pipes but most importantly the wiring loom etc and all plugs were not broken.

So we dropped the front subframe with the engine/box attached, then disconnected the gearbox, removed the front shafts, sump etc.

It was a pig of a job, got it all back in and it would appear silverlake somehow cracked the EGR cooler - No hassle so just swapped mine over.

Anyway she fired up no problem and isn't leaking and surprisingly enough there are no warning lights on.

Tonight we are going to put the front end on properly, sort the air con, refill the autobox and then it's job done.

13hrs in total - Me of my mate have never done a job this big bearing in mind we are not mechanics either.

For some reason the forum won't let me upload the photos, it could be my work laptop.

I should add when we removed the sump there was big end bearing shards etc lying in it and it would appear the oil pump had failed.

[Dog Star]

Impressive tenacity in getting the job done!
Looking forwards to the pics.

[TheHighlander]

Dog Star said:

Impressive tenacity in getting the job done!
Looking forwards to the pics.

I will upload them from my phone in a second.

I've never been so sore the next day, the workshop my mate borrowed has been "well used" so there engine hoist etc wasn't really up for it but we just cracked on and got it done.

[TheHighlander]

We bagged every bolt as to where it came off so all the engine ones in a bag, gearbox, rad pack etc and we have only been left over with a couple and they’re from the rad pack so putting them in tonight.

[Unreal]

You've done well to take that on OP. Hats off to you.