RE: 2023 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio | PH Review

[Fetchez la vache]

smilo996 said:

People don't by SUV's for that reason, they buy them to feel superior, important and satisfy their ludicrous sense of entitlement.

Congratulations. I haven't read such a bitter, wide of the mark comment on here for weeks.

[Purosangue]

Fetchez la vache said:

smilo996 said:

People don't by SUV's for that reason, they buy them to feel superior, important and satisfy their ludicrous sense of entitlement.

Congratulations. I haven't read such a bitter, wide of the mark comment on here for weeks.

You cant compare SUV's with 4 door saloons ? People buy them for different reasons , I might find it uncomfortable to get 3 dogs in the back of a Quadrifoglio

But easy in an SUV

[E90_M3Ross]

Shifter1 said:

E90_M3Ross said:

Have they sorted out the security flaw?

Yes. I believe back around in the 17th century. It's called an insurance.

If thieves want something, they will find a way to have it.

So no, then.

[Vee12V]

The mechanical diff could be a small game changer. Might need to test one in the near future.

[Water Fairy]

smilo996 said:

People don't by SUV's for that reason, they buy them to feel superior, important and satisfy their ludicrous sense of entitlement.

I'm all for saying what you think but seriously, you gotta be some kind of next level chaffinch to truly believe that!

As for the Alfa I'd have one in a heartbeat. Author seems very hard to please, perhaps, like many motoring journalists, a little spoilt?

[RonnieHotdogs]

So order books are open, yet the configurator online is still still set on the MY22 version, so absolutely no idea of options / colours available. Standard laziness / contempt for the customer that Alfa Romeo have shown over the years.

Tried to get a quote on a car a few months ago, and couldn't. It was three weeks into the quarter and Alfa Romeo hadn't quite got around to communicating finance availability and incentives to their dealers.

Never really had a problem with AR dealers in the past (previous Veloce and QV owner) but Alfa Romeo as a company need to stop making it so hard to find info about their products and / or buy them.

[E90_M3Ross]

smilo996 said:

The Italians do it so often. they wrap flawed in such a beautiful design, that any shortcomings dissolve in a potion of character and sole.
Looks absolutely brilliant and seems they have polished up some of rough edges.

Found this funny:
"So if you’re looking to change to one from any other performance SUV, I’ve no doubt you’ll find its speed and handling very appealing. But after jumping straight out one into the other on a track, the differences were stark. The Stelvio displayed all the issues you'd expect with increased weight and an elevated centre of gravity: roll, pitch and dive being the main ones. Physics doesn’t lie...."
People don't by SUV's for that reason, they buy them to feel superior, important and satisfy their ludicrous sense of entitlement.

What an utterly ridiculous comment

[cerb4.5lee]

James Junior said:

The 'playful' rear end actually feels too nailed down to me. On a deserted mountain road or track it's reluctant to move around as much as I'd like. I drove an M2 for across Spain a few years ago with many hard drives and that felt significantly better with more mobility. When you reached the edge of grip, the tail would begin to come around in a lovely predictable way, allowing you to rotate the car, keep the front pointed where you wanted to go, and feel the rear sliding beautifully. The turn in on the M2 was also better than the Giulia. The M2 might be a bit anodyne comparatively, but I enjoyed it more as a driver's car.

The turn in and the playful rear end are two of the things that I really like about the M4 as well. I'd love a go in the QV though, and the engine is definitely an engine that I'd like to try. Plus I'm not usually a big fan of 4 doors(I much prefer 2), however the QV is a great looking thing I reckon for sure.

[JJJ.]

MrGeoff said:

FakeTaxi said:

Montreal Green is such a special colour.

I'll second that, what a colour!

Yep, must agree. And I'm not fan of green.

[Court_S]

I really like these, I think they’re pretty things (more so than it’s competitors) and the green is stunning in the flesh.

I never found the interior all that bad.

The latest version sounds great and probably a fab way for the car to sign off (assuming that it won’t be replaced / will be an EV next).

[Krikkit]

Can't we have a review without some "oh I never liked it last time" retrospective rubbish - the 2020 and 2016 reviews either don't mention the "issues" or say it's fantastic.

2016: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2016-al...
2020: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2020-al...

Suspension/dampers:

2020 review said:

It's supple from the off, soaking up bumps through the same uncannily good primary ride...

2020 review said:

So sweet is the car’s inherent agility that you need not go beyond the dampers’ mid setting; having a degree or two’s worth of lateral pitch makes the experience all the more involving, and the chassis’ messages clearer and more intuitive. On a British B-road that would shake other cars to pieces, the Alfa just flows. This is crucial to its charm. The Giulia works everywhere.

Brakes:

2016 review said:

...and those optional carbon-ceramic brakes seem tireless, although the pedal is a bit inert after the standard car's excellent stoppers.

Diff:

2020 review said:

And Alfa hasn't shortchanged it with the transmission or the twin-clutch-controlled, torque-biasing rear diff; both do a tremendous job.

Absolute horsest PH.

[cerb4.5lee]

SteveStrange said:

In before Ares.

You did make me chuckle with this!

[ajap1979]

smilo996 said:

People don't by SUV's for that reason, they buy them to feel superior, important and satisfy their ludicrous sense of entitlement.

There has to be a back story here...

[ajap1979]

Krikkit said:

Can't we have a review without some "oh I never liked it last time" retrospective rubbish - the 2020 and 2016 reviews either don't mention the "issues" or say it's fantastic.

2016: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2016-al...
2020: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2020-al...

Suspension/dampers:

2020 review said:

It's supple from the off, soaking up bumps through the same uncannily good primary ride...

2020 review said:

So sweet is the car’s inherent agility that you need not go beyond the dampers’ mid setting; having a degree or two’s worth of lateral pitch makes the experience all the more involving, and the chassis’ messages clearer and more intuitive. On a British B-road that would shake other cars to pieces, the Alfa just flows. This is crucial to its charm. The Giulia works everywhere.

Brakes:

2016 review said:

...and those optional carbon-ceramic brakes seem tireless, although the pedal is a bit inert after the standard car's excellent stoppers.

Diff:

2020 review said:

And Alfa hasn't shortchanged it with the transmission or the twin-clutch-controlled, torque-biasing rear diff; both do a tremendous job.

Absolute horsest PH.

Three different reviews from three different people...

[SuperNads]

I absolutely adore my car, certainly not a car you can get away with picking your nose in at the lights! Took it for a blast in the Swiss Alps and I fell in love even more. My wife loves it, my daughter loves it and most people around me seem to love it. Still not convinced there's much else you can buy that gets such love. We took it to Italy last month and again, the reception was lovely. Even car salesmen get excited when you pull up to a dealer in it. fking awful driving it on Italian hilly roads though, scuffs galore on the splitter and sills!

I am utterly convinced that it'll get nicked at some point due to Alfa Romeo failing to address the radar theft issues and the dealers really are as woeful as people say they are. But for as long as I can afford to, I'm keeping it.

[myhandle]

Still looks good. The colour works really well. Sure-fire classic.

[HighwayStar]

Krikkit said:

Can't we have a review without some "oh I never liked it last time" retrospective rubbish - the 2020 and 2016 reviews either don't mention the "issues" or say it's fantastic.

2016: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2016-al...
2020: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2020-al...

Suspension/dampers:

2020 review said:

It's supple from the off, soaking up bumps through the same uncannily good primary ride...

2020 review said:

So sweet is the car’s inherent agility that you need not go beyond the dampers’ mid setting; having a degree or two’s worth of lateral pitch makes the experience all the more involving, and the chassis’ messages clearer and more intuitive. On a British B-road that would shake other cars to pieces, the Alfa just flows. This is crucial to its charm. The Giulia works everywhere.

Brakes:

2016 review said:

...and those optional carbon-ceramic brakes seem tireless, although the pedal is a bit inert after the standard car's excellent stoppers.

Diff:

2020 review said:

And Alfa hasn't shortchanged it with the transmission or the twin-clutch-controlled, torque-biasing rear diff; both do a tremendous job.

Absolute horsest PH.

And neither by the current reviewer who is the one saying he never agreed with the reviews of the original car.
Me, reviews are just the starting point for me. I test drive and decide for myself.

[WCZ]

nothing not to like about this other than possibly the weight

[NGK210]

Jeez, has a review ever contained more uses of the words “me” and “I”?

And stop saying “prior to” – the word you want is “before”. Pompous twit.

Wonderful car, mind. Despite the ongoing security flaw, and maintenance faffage – eg, even an oil change is a PITA.

[Krikkit]

HighwayStar said:

Krikkit said:

Can't we have a review without some "oh I never liked it last time" retrospective rubbish - the 2020 and 2016 reviews either don't mention the "issues" or say it's fantastic.

2016: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2016-al...
2020: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2020-al...

Suspension/dampers:

2020 review said:

It's supple from the off, soaking up bumps through the same uncannily good primary ride...

2020 review said:

So sweet is the car’s inherent agility that you need not go beyond the dampers’ mid setting; having a degree or two’s worth of lateral pitch makes the experience all the more involving, and the chassis’ messages clearer and more intuitive. On a British B-road that would shake other cars to pieces, the Alfa just flows. This is crucial to its charm. The Giulia works everywhere.

Brakes:

2016 review said:

...and those optional carbon-ceramic brakes seem tireless, although the pedal is a bit inert after the standard car's excellent stoppers.

Diff:

2020 review said:

And Alfa hasn't shortchanged it with the transmission or the twin-clutch-controlled, torque-biasing rear diff; both do a tremendous job.

Absolute horsest PH.

And neither by the current reviewer who is the one saying he never agreed with the reviews of the original car.

Fair point, I usually click through to reviews on the forum where the author's name doesn't appear, hadn't spotted it