Touchscreens now make sense, bye physical buttons...
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glennjamin said:
Can't stand the screen, you can adjust setting turn a knob without taking eyes off the road. It's like looking at a iPad whilst driving.Getting stupid
That starts to not work given how much there is that can be adjusted on modern cars though. I remember the early noughties Lexus' and S class's, they had a physical button for everything - they ended up like commercial aircraft cockpits! You can see the logic of a central control system.The only major bugbear of that centralisation seems to be people missing physical radio/media and heater controls.. but most people hardly ever need to change those things anyway - if ever given that modern cars have driver profiles in memory.
I will say that I hate the idea of not having a physical volume control - luckily only a handful of cars have dared to give up on that so far, and those that have, are heavily criticised for doing so.
glennjamin said:
Can't stand the screen, you can adjust setting turn a knob without taking eyes off the road. It's like looking at a iPad whilst driving.Getting stupid
Luckily I don't have a car with a touchscreen as I wouldn't want it!Like you say it is getting stupid. However familiar you are with using a screen it can't be as simple as using a button or turning a knob, and can't be as safe either.
If they are anything like my phone it often takes more than one touch to get it to do what I want!
Mr Tidy said:
glennjamin said:
Can't stand the screen, you can adjust setting turn a knob without taking eyes off the road. It's like looking at a iPad whilst driving.Getting stupid
Luckily I don't have a car with a touchscreen as I wouldn't want it!Like you say it is getting stupid. However familiar you are with using a screen it can't be as simple as using a button or turning a knob, and can't be as safe either.
If they are anything like my phone it often takes more than one touch to get it to do what I want!
The breadth of tech and functionality in modern cars has pretty much forced the shift to a central command system.
My Ibiza has best of both. Heater /aircon knobs with buttons for direction. Touch screen for everything else (tho I don’t have heated seats.)
Volume and channel / track buttons are on the steering wheel . Voice control button gets used. “Phone” “call John smith” “ navigation” “home” for example. Works fine. If I need to put in a new destination I do it before I set off. Also can display things in the instrument panel, including the Nav.
I like it, not complicated
Volume and channel / track buttons are on the steering wheel . Voice control button gets used. “Phone” “call John smith” “ navigation” “home” for example. Works fine. If I need to put in a new destination I do it before I set off. Also can display things in the instrument panel, including the Nav.
I like it, not complicated
TheDeuce said:
The breadth of tech and functionality in modern cars has pretty much forced the shift to a central command system.
Are you going to be so supportive when the screen fails after 37 months and the dealer quotes you £3K to repair? And the car is undriveable without the 3K repair?And there's no screens in stock, so your car remains undriveable for the foreseeable?
Sebring440 said:
TheDeuce said:
The breadth of tech and functionality in modern cars has pretty much forced the shift to a central command system.
Are you going to be so supportive when the screen fails after 37 months and the dealer quotes you £3K to repair? And the car is undriveable without the 3K repair?And there's no screens in stock, so your car remains undriveable for the foreseeable?
Electro mechanical devices fail and caused all sorts of irritation to owners of high tech older cars - but the contemporary systems are essentially a computer running on dedicated software, which is extremely stable. Everything that computer controls is modular and via CANBUS which is as reliable as... It gets.
Honestly, it's far more likely a moving component will spoil your fun these days than the 'tech' which is the dash mounted computer.
If it does happen, the actual repair is a new unit - which supply issues aside is a very simple operation. There's no reason such a component should be any scarcer to source than any other on the car.
Sebring440 said:
Are you going to be so supportive when the screen fails after 37 months and the dealer quotes you £3K to repair? And the car is undriveable without the 3K repair?
And there's no screens in stock, so your car remains undriveable for the foreseeable?
This, or it fails at ten years odl and the car is effictively scrap due to a cheap LCD screen that the dealer wants to charge you £3k for, if it even still available. And it will be coded to the car so no hope of getting one from a scrap car. And there's no screens in stock, so your car remains undriveable for the foreseeable?
My car has physical buttons for the climate, I can adjust the temperature without taking my eyes off the road. I cannot imagine what a faff it must be going through a touch screen menu.
Cars are just becoming big mobile phones, the tech in them means they are obsolete even quicker.
Joey Deacon said:
Sebring440 said:
Are you going to be so supportive when the screen fails after 37 months and the dealer quotes you £3K to repair? And the car is undriveable without the 3K repair?
And there's no screens in stock, so your car remains undriveable for the foreseeable?
This, or it fails at ten years odl and the car is effictively scrap due to a cheap LCD screen that the dealer wants to charge you £3k for, if it even still available. And it will be coded to the car so no hope of getting one from a scrap car. And there's no screens in stock, so your car remains undriveable for the foreseeable?
My car has physical buttons for the climate, I can adjust the temperature without taking my eyes off the road. I cannot imagine what a faff it must be going through a touch screen menu.
Cars are just becoming big mobile phones, the tech in them means they are obsolete even quicker.
Arguably the ability to remotely update the software has kept cars fresher - the first Tesla model S was sold over a decade ago and they still receive updates and have improved in terms of functionality.
Ten year old car? Here, you can replace the screen and upgrade it at the same time, £300 https://uk.eurostyletuning.com.au/products/wireles...
TheDeuce said:
Sebring440 said:
TheDeuce said:
The breadth of tech and functionality in modern cars has pretty much forced the shift to a central command system.
Are you going to be so supportive when the screen fails after 37 months and the dealer quotes you £3K to repair? And the car is undriveable without the 3K repair?And there's no screens in stock, so your car remains undriveable for the foreseeable?
Electro mechanical devices fail and caused all sorts of irritation to owners of high tech older cars - but the contemporary systems are essentially a computer running on dedicated software, which is extremely stable. Everything that computer controls is modular and via CANBUS which is as reliable as... It gets.
Honestly, it's far more likely a moving component will spoil your fun these days than the 'tech' which is the dash mounted computer.
If it does happen, the actual repair is a new unit - which supply issues aside is a very simple operation. There's no reason such a component should be any scarcer to source than any other on the car.
You think there won’t be any delays in sourcing a new screen for a 3-5+ yr old car that has been bricked in the years ahead?
We will simply have to agree to disagree!
The move to all-screen is madness.
People WILL be taking their eyes off the road for far too long to change the temp or seating, etc. Accidents will be caused by them.
Suggesting that isn’t needed on the move is crazy talk: people warm up: turn the seat off….they feel hot: turn the dial down.
We have a Kona EV…starting to consider it’s replacement. Might have been the new Volvo, but having seen multiple reviewers saying how awful the infotainment is, it is now off the radar.
Saw the 2024 Kona last week: a decent combination of tech and buttons. Pretty slick looking: it will be a contender.
I’m happy for you that you have got used to an inferior system: the world is dumbing down in many ways, but I will avoid following those footsteps!
TheDeuce said:
Mr Tidy said:
glennjamin said:
Can't stand the screen, you can adjust setting turn a knob without taking eyes off the road. It's like looking at a iPad whilst driving.Getting stupid
Luckily I don't have a car with a touchscreen as I wouldn't want it!Like you say it is getting stupid. However familiar you are with using a screen it can't be as simple as using a button or turning a knob, and can't be as safe either.
If they are anything like my phone it often takes more than one touch to get it to do what I want!
The breadth of tech and functionality in modern cars has pretty much forced the shift to a central command system.
BenS94 said:
TheDeuce said:
Mr Tidy said:
glennjamin said:
Can't stand the screen, you can adjust setting turn a knob without taking eyes off the road. It's like looking at a iPad whilst driving.Getting stupid
Luckily I don't have a car with a touchscreen as I wouldn't want it!Like you say it is getting stupid. However familiar you are with using a screen it can't be as simple as using a button or turning a knob, and can't be as safe either.
If they are anything like my phone it often takes more than one touch to get it to do what I want!
The breadth of tech and functionality in modern cars has pretty much forced the shift to a central command system.
Isn't that better overall?
toon10 said:
They're a menace in my opinion. Mrs. Toon has an XC60 and when I get in as a passenger, I want to turn on the heated seat. I go for the button then the screen changes as she selects reverse, so I wait. The screen comes back on, so I go for the button again only for the screen to change again as she slides into Eco mode. Ahh just let me press a bloody button. I'll be at the destination by the time I get a warm backside.
The voice recognition in my admittedly old BMW (2018) is still as woeful as any voice system I've used. It doesn't just get things wrong, it's so way off I'm wondering if it's set to deaf old man with the TV on too loud setting whenever I try and talk to it.
Look on the bright side MrsVS has a Toyota with great easy to use heater dial control buttons ...but... they take over the whole touchscreen for about 10 seconds to tell you the temperature. I can guarantee that when I am driving she will decide it is 1 degree too hot just before I look at the Satnav screen to see which of the five exits off the roundabout I need to take... every fThe voice recognition in my admittedly old BMW (2018) is still as woeful as any voice system I've used. It doesn't just get things wrong, it's so way off I'm wondering if it's set to deaf old man with the TV on too loud setting whenever I try and talk to it.
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