RE: Ineos Grenadier | Spotted
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Loving all these bizarre comments, but predictable. Saw one at the Haynes Breakfast meet earlier in the month, parked up with loads of Defenders etc as it was a 4x4 day, which made sense on a cold soggy winter Sunday morning.
I was surprised in the flesh, they are no bigger really than the old Defender lengthwise. Waist-line / glass a bit higher so less window and wider, no bad thing. Looked pretty good to me tbh and garnered a fair bit of interest.
I am not a 4x4 enthusiast or even a LR fan, having driven the hateful things in the military. Too cramped and wandery for me. But have a couple of mates who definitely are. One has a ‘48 LR, first full year of production (so he tells me) amongst his LR collection. Another mate has a late model Defender, sold is AM Vantage to get(!), which regularly comes to Somerset from the SE as well as trips to Scotland. Both used how a working Defender should be, rather than just school run and Costa.
Both have driven the Ineos. Both very complimentary about its ability, better on and off road than an old Defender. Much more civilised on road than old Defender (how could it not be) but more biased off road than the new Defender. If you only drive on road, it probably isn’t for you. But neither mates thought is was a remotely poor vehicle. Quite the opposite.
But both think too expensive so second hand a better bet. But show me a new car that isn’t too expensive. You only have to look at the horrific and hilarious BMW electric M5 HM reviewed yesterday. RRP has gone mad but most PCP, I guess.
I was surprised in the flesh, they are no bigger really than the old Defender lengthwise. Waist-line / glass a bit higher so less window and wider, no bad thing. Looked pretty good to me tbh and garnered a fair bit of interest.
I am not a 4x4 enthusiast or even a LR fan, having driven the hateful things in the military. Too cramped and wandery for me. But have a couple of mates who definitely are. One has a ‘48 LR, first full year of production (so he tells me) amongst his LR collection. Another mate has a late model Defender, sold is AM Vantage to get(!), which regularly comes to Somerset from the SE as well as trips to Scotland. Both used how a working Defender should be, rather than just school run and Costa.
Both have driven the Ineos. Both very complimentary about its ability, better on and off road than an old Defender. Much more civilised on road than old Defender (how could it not be) but more biased off road than the new Defender. If you only drive on road, it probably isn’t for you. But neither mates thought is was a remotely poor vehicle. Quite the opposite.
But both think too expensive so second hand a better bet. But show me a new car that isn’t too expensive. You only have to look at the horrific and hilarious BMW electric M5 HM reviewed yesterday. RRP has gone mad but most PCP, I guess.
I have seen a few of these near me, being used a workhorse , not a school run bus like the new Defenders seem to be.
Why do people hate on something they have owned, let alone driven.
Considering the terrible reliability of JLR products, sure something like this gives those in the market for one of these an extra choice.
Or do what one of my mates has just done, bin his RR autobiography and new SWB Defender and buy a SWB Landcruiser.
Why do people hate on something they have owned, let alone driven.
Considering the terrible reliability of JLR products, sure something like this gives those in the market for one of these an extra choice.
Or do what one of my mates has just done, bin his RR autobiography and new SWB Defender and buy a SWB Landcruiser.
BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Rarely seen a car get such negative reviews, and that is before anyone has had a chance to see if they are reliable ( unlikely for a totally new operation building a new car for the first time ) or how the dealer network stacks up.
You have to really, really like these to buy one....
And even then I can't see why you'd not get a Defender which kinda looks the same, does the same thing but with the support network for if (when?) it does go wrong. Can you imagine the absolute ballache trying to get an Ineos fixed if you're nowhere near a dealer? Just checked and I'm in York - the nearest service centre is Otley (of course it is....).You have to really, really like these to buy one....
J4CKO said:
Momentainious said:
Wouldn't but anything connected with the red scum.
Do you not think you are perhaps taking football a little too seriously if you think like that ?You can see how people end up as radicalised, fundamentalists or whatever if you can get so bothered about a game, that you wouldn't buy a car because the chap who owns the company part owns a football team.
Plenty of reasons not to buy a car that make sense, but not this one. Do you fight in the streets with other football supporters ?
"Red Scum", go and have a word with yourself.
Must just crawl out of the woodwork to have an angry rant about the ‘red scum’, then crawl back again.
Probably the type that flies a knackered England flag from their house and drives an old Zafira or Vectra with “England” number plates, too. You know the type
Can’t help but think this is what the Defender would’ve looked like in 2024 had BMW kept the LR brand when they had Rover.
How much better LR’s would’ve been without the s
t Ford TDV8, PSA TDV6 or those Ingenium engines they have now 
Not saying the BM V8 was the best, but can’t help but think that older LR products would be far better used buys now had BMW kept control.
How much better LR’s would’ve been without the s
t Ford TDV8, PSA TDV6 or those Ingenium engines they have now Not saying the BM V8 was the best, but can’t help but think that older LR products would be far better used buys now had BMW kept control.
Ffordd Ar Gau said:
How much better LR’s would’ve been without the st Ford TDV8, PSA TDV6 or those Ingenium engines they have now
Not saying the BM V8 was the best, but can’t help but think that older LR products would be far better used buys now had BMW kept control.
The BMW M57 engine from a 330d or 530d is a popular engine swap into LR Defenders t Ford TDV8, PSA TDV6 or those Ingenium engines they have now Not saying the BM V8 was the best, but can’t help but think that older LR products would be far better used buys now had BMW kept control.
spreadsheet monkey said:
Ffordd Ar Gau said:
How much better LR’s would’ve been without the st Ford TDV8, PSA TDV6 or those Ingenium engines they have now
Not saying the BM V8 was the best, but can’t help but think that older LR products would be far better used buys now had BMW kept control.
The BMW M57 engine from a 330d or 530d is a popular engine swap into LR Defenders t Ford TDV8, PSA TDV6 or those Ingenium engines they have now Not saying the BM V8 was the best, but can’t help but think that older LR products would be far better used buys now had BMW kept control.
Would’ve thought a TD6 L322 would be a better donor for the same engine. Probably been thrashed more due to the weight and chocolate gearbox, mind 
marketappeal said:
I rather like it. I'm not even vaguely in the market to buy one and recirculating ball steering isn't going to provide the sporting feel I'm used to, but if I was a farmer seeking a rugged utility vehicle I can imagine this being high up the list.
Why do people keep saying such nonsense about recirculating joint steering?Rack and pinion is the budget lie you’ve all been sold
Secret lemonade drinker said:
marketappeal said:
I rather like it. I'm not even vaguely in the market to buy one and recirculating ball steering isn't going to provide the sporting feel I'm used to, but if I was a farmer seeking a rugged utility vehicle I can imagine this being high up the list.
Why do people keep saying such nonsense about recirculating joint steering?Rack and pinion is the budget lie you’ve all been sold
Macboy said:
fozzymandeus said:
I still can’t get on with the federal impact bumper these things have.
They look like a US market 1977 Mercedes 450SE, and not in a good way.
Do they also have sealed beam headlamps?
It's not. The US has a smaller bumper. It's Euro pedestrian impact. They look like a US market 1977 Mercedes 450SE, and not in a good way.
Do they also have sealed beam headlamps?
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