RE: All-new Ineos Fusilier revealed as electric 4x4

RE: All-new Ineos Fusilier revealed as electric 4x4

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ajap1979

8,014 posts

189 months

Friday 23rd February
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Nice G Wagen

Julian Scott

2,638 posts

26 months

Friday 23rd February
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Looks a lot more of a cohesive and attractive design than the original. The fact that it also enrages the easily enraged can only be an additional selling point.

A disruptive, Electric, SUV - prime PH cage rattling biglaugh

orbit123

243 posts

194 months

Friday 23rd February
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Looks quite good to me, good luck to them.
The RHD model footwell issue with the Grenadier was a big thing that put me off it. Always some issue with a car but I guess type of error that is less common with established car companies.

Ratcliffes profile and INEOS is now also completely linked to the company and I suspect many people will have a view about owners, rightly or wrongly.

Tesla have lost plot (the cybertruck could have been something functional and good). Maybe a gap for this given how slow others are being.
JLR might be closer to a fully EV Defender by 2026/27.


NGK210

3,051 posts

147 months

Friday 23rd February
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Soviet chic is the new thang, right?
Hmm, thought not.

chickensoup

26 posts

14 months

Friday 23rd February
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Sir Jim Ratcliffe said: “The Fusilier is a great looking vehicle"

should have gone to specsavers

DonkeyApple

56,048 posts

171 months

Friday 23rd February
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Roger Irrelevant said:
That looks good actually. I always thought the Grenadier looked a bit weird and not in a good way - it's an uncanny valley Defender basically - but this is it's own car and all the better for it. I like the idea of a REx version too. Will watch with interest.
Yup. This one is smaller and I wonder if that's a result of an imported skateboard from another manufacturer rather than reinventing the wheel.

REx will be interesting but I don't think they get classed as EVs when it comes to various taxes?

Andy665

3,672 posts

230 months

Friday 23rd February
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DonkeyApple said:
The renders look quite good.

It's already an immensely heavy vehicle and loaded up with batteries this is surely going to break the scales and when it comes to punching through the air, towing anything, heading off into the blue yonder it's simply not going to work.

It's purely an urban shopping car. Which is fine but it's likely to be quite an expensive way to migrate from shop to shop and entering the domain where it has no USP other than 'warrior'?
Its not a Grenadier EV though so any weight assumptions are pure guesswork

Ikobo

511 posts

151 months

Friday 23rd February
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I'm shocked to say given my feelings on th looks of the original, that aesthetically I really like that, a lot. Not enough to buy one mind.

DonkeyApple

56,048 posts

171 months

Friday 23rd February
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Andy665 said:
Its not a Grenadier EV though so any weight assumptions are pure guesswork
Yup. Realised that shortly after. It still can't work as a rugged 4x4 as getting good enough range then makes it too heavy, sticking a generator inside loses load space or makes the front heavier still. Very much a suburban runabout. Knowing Jimmy's progressive views on matters maybe it's aimed at the little housewife?

Andy665

3,672 posts

230 months

Friday 23rd February
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Like that, natural next step

2 pages in and no whinging about tax exile, Wales or Brexit yet - I'm almost disappointed

Bill

53,098 posts

257 months

Friday 23rd February
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orbit123 said:
Looks quite good to me, good luck to them.
The RHD model footwell issue with the Grenadier was a big thing that put me off it. Always some issue with a car but I guess type of error that is less common with established car companies.

Ratcliffes profile and INEOS is now also completely linked to the company and I suspect many people will have a view about owners, rightly or wrongly.

Tesla have lost plot (the cybertruck could have been something functional and good). Maybe a gap for this given how slow others are being.
JLR might be closer to a fully EV Defender by 2026/27.
Looking at the size of it I suspect an EV Jimny would be a competitor.

TheOctaneAddict

779 posts

49 months

Friday 23rd February
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I predict an enormous battery and nowhere near enough range.

Lotobear

6,573 posts

130 months

Friday 23rd February
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Andy665 said:
Like that, natural next step

2 pages in and no whinging about tax exile, Wales or Brexit yet - I'm almost disappointed
...you forgot VAT, payload etc for the tax fiddlers.

Angelo1985

259 posts

28 months

Friday 23rd February
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Nice, we went from a copycat of the old defender to a copycat of the G wagen.

Andy83n

398 posts

64 months

Friday 23rd February
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NGK210 said:
Soviet chic is the new thang, right?
Hmm, thought not.
Thought wrong then didn't you...

Everyone knows the only colour to buy a G Wagen is Agave Green - even MB know this...

And the original Lada Niva in a similar hue is still one of the coolest cars you could own

Edited by Andy83n on Friday 23 February 17:16

Julian Scott

2,638 posts

26 months

Friday 23rd February
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Angelo1985 said:
Nice, we went from a copycat of the old defender to a copycat of the G wagen.
...and now a copycat of the very first comment made. ;-)

abzmike

8,585 posts

108 months

Friday 23rd February
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Looks like a slightly smoothed off G-Wagen and thats not a bad thing.
But it is going to look very retro by 2026 when it ships, and even more retro if it's late.

malaccamax

1,275 posts

233 months

Friday 23rd February
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ducnick said:
The first ineos car was a loss leader to get a factory built and some market experience. This is the big one…. Build a car that looks like the ever fashionable TikTok G wagon. Sell it at a small profit, sit back, knowledgeable that it is powered by one of the waste products of your factories…. Let it gain momentum building more refuelling station for the ever growing numbers of hydrogen fueled vehicles. Hey Presto, your waste gas problem solved in one Master stroke. If only they could create a car powered by the CO2 they produce.
Except this won't be built at Ineos's plant in France but in Austria at Magna's contract manufacturing plant - alongside the G-wagen!

Mikebentley

6,214 posts

142 months

Friday 23rd February
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Quite like it. Smaller than the Grenade. I always liked those Shogun Pinin things. It doesn’t matter that it may be seemingly inefficient as it will cost about £6 to fully charge giving 150 miles knobbing about range which is ideal for most.

Luke.

11,035 posts

252 months

Friday 23rd February
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Wasn't sure at first. But like it.