Well, Iv cancelled EVO.
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EVO is utter tosh now-Top Gear is better.Only articles worth reading are written by Vivian or barker. The rest revolves around some low payed college boy whos had his life enhanced by a Blast in a F430.Ecoty 07 was just drivel,there is no content you dont already know of.
Look how many pages of ads there are now aswell-greedy indeedy.
Look how many pages of ads there are now aswell-greedy indeedy.
The Spec C thing's ok, tbf.
Cancelling your subs is fine but whichever way you slice it the chaps are beacons of petrol headed delight in a firmament under perilous threat from a rampant, commie zeitgeist which seeks to bludgeon us all into dread, grey uniformed pressage, manifested as an homogeneous doom.
If the price of our resistance is ocassional exposure to Lord M's exposed vines a-creeping about the periphery of his Tuscan retreat, then I can just about manage the imposition.
Having said that, a tad more right wing invective would be hugely useful, maybe a "Tommo Invades" series in which the usually mild mannered Petronius Tomalinum dresses up as a member of the Gestapo and sees how fast he can drive through various Eastern European countries in a Brabus before being arrested not for speeding but a dress code that might bring the magazine into disrepute.
Creative direction, that's what's needed.
Cancelling your subs is fine but whichever way you slice it the chaps are beacons of petrol headed delight in a firmament under perilous threat from a rampant, commie zeitgeist which seeks to bludgeon us all into dread, grey uniformed pressage, manifested as an homogeneous doom.
If the price of our resistance is ocassional exposure to Lord M's exposed vines a-creeping about the periphery of his Tuscan retreat, then I can just about manage the imposition.
Having said that, a tad more right wing invective would be hugely useful, maybe a "Tommo Invades" series in which the usually mild mannered Petronius Tomalinum dresses up as a member of the Gestapo and sees how fast he can drive through various Eastern European countries in a Brabus before being arrested not for speeding but a dress code that might bring the magazine into disrepute.
Creative direction, that's what's needed.
I've subscribed for a while (I even used to work for the publishers!) and it has just ran out. Doubt I'll re-subscribe this time. As someone above said, lots of the narrative but a lack of information. Many articles I read in Evo don't leave me any more informed about the car that before, I do know how much fun the journo had but that doesn't interest me.
However, Dennis have recently aquired Octane (classic sports cars, I'm not interested in hillmans or old vauxhalls but old astons, ferraris, interesting cars etc. seem more my cup of tea) which appeals though, I'll probably trial that to see what it's like.
Oh yeah, I wonder if Evo EVER do an issue WITHOUT a porsche (or mention of) in it? A few factory options wrapped up as a "sports pack" or whatever gets a slot in the "New car" section Other manufacturers don't get this level of attention when they release lightly modded versions of current cars. I've nothing against Porsches, however I am bored of them in every issue.
However, Dennis have recently aquired Octane (classic sports cars, I'm not interested in hillmans or old vauxhalls but old astons, ferraris, interesting cars etc. seem more my cup of tea) which appeals though, I'll probably trial that to see what it's like.
Oh yeah, I wonder if Evo EVER do an issue WITHOUT a porsche (or mention of) in it? A few factory options wrapped up as a "sports pack" or whatever gets a slot in the "New car" section Other manufacturers don't get this level of attention when they release lightly modded versions of current cars. I've nothing against Porsches, however I am bored of them in every issue.
derestrictor said:
Having said that, a tad more right wing invective would be hugely useful, maybe a "Tommo Invades" series in which the usually mild mannered Petronius Tomalinum dresses up as a member of the Gestapo and sees how fast he can drive through various Eastern European countries in a Brabus before being arrested not for speeding but a dress code that might bring the magazine into disrepute.
I don't even know that you'd reach Eastern Europe, get spotted by the wrong Primarolian scum on the way down and it's 50/50 whether you'd make it to Dover in that get-up.matt21 said:
love evo but dont have the excitement i used to have when it arrives
My thoughts exactly Mine arrived this morning and i still haven't opened it.
Used to be, as soon as it fell through the letterbox, that was the next few hours sorted.
Now it's left in the bathroom, to be read as and when
Dracoro said:
Other manufacturers don't get this level of attention when they release lightly modded versions of current cars.
Except Aston Martin, Ferrari and Lamborghini. Oh and Lotus, Mitsubishi, Subaru... Audi, BMW and Mercedes. They even do it with Bentley and probably Maybach (The 57S, an incredibly vital niche, that but yup, they covered it! )I'm afraid they actually cover almost every permutation of every performance variant (including tuned variants) going.
I've got every copy of evo that's been published. I bought issue No1 purely by chance. I was in the Newsagents looking for the latest copy of Car magazine to read when I spotted a single copy of evo on the shelf.
A quick flick through the pages and I thought "I've got to have this, this looks good."
Needless to say I bought it and spent most of the weekend reading every single article.
It was fresh and different to all the other mags. It seemed that the writers really enjoyed, and were passonate about, the subject and could have written pages and pages but were constrained by the Editor.
Now, fast forward to the more recent issues and the "problem" with evo at the moment is that most articles seem like they've been written in the same manner as a school homework essay - that is written at the last minute, and only to avoid detention, 'cos you had other things you'd rather be doing and you padded it out because it had to be 500 words long.
A quick flick through the pages and I thought "I've got to have this, this looks good."
Needless to say I bought it and spent most of the weekend reading every single article.
It was fresh and different to all the other mags. It seemed that the writers really enjoyed, and were passonate about, the subject and could have written pages and pages but were constrained by the Editor.
Now, fast forward to the more recent issues and the "problem" with evo at the moment is that most articles seem like they've been written in the same manner as a school homework essay - that is written at the last minute, and only to avoid detention, 'cos you had other things you'd rather be doing and you padded it out because it had to be 500 words long.
derestrictor said:
The Spec C thing's ok, tbf.
Cancelling your subs is fine but whichever way you slice it the chaps are beacons of petrol headed delight in a firmament under perilous threat from a rampant, commie zeitgeist which seeks to bludgeon us all into dread, grey uniformed pressage, manifested as an homogeneous doom.
If the price of our resistance is ocassional exposure to Lord M's exposed vines a-creeping about the periphery of his Tuscan retreat, then I can just about manage the imposition.
Having said that, a tad more right wing invective would be hugely useful, maybe a "Tommo Invades" series in which the usually mild mannered Petronius Tomalinum dresses up as a member of the Gestapo and sees how fast he can drive through various Eastern European countries in a Brabus before being arrested not for speeding but a dress code that might bring the magazine into disrepute.
Creative direction, that's what's needed.
I find that one of the best things about evo is that they keep their writing style clear and concise.Cancelling your subs is fine but whichever way you slice it the chaps are beacons of petrol headed delight in a firmament under perilous threat from a rampant, commie zeitgeist which seeks to bludgeon us all into dread, grey uniformed pressage, manifested as an homogeneous doom.
If the price of our resistance is ocassional exposure to Lord M's exposed vines a-creeping about the periphery of his Tuscan retreat, then I can just about manage the imposition.
Having said that, a tad more right wing invective would be hugely useful, maybe a "Tommo Invades" series in which the usually mild mannered Petronius Tomalinum dresses up as a member of the Gestapo and sees how fast he can drive through various Eastern European countries in a Brabus before being arrested not for speeding but a dress code that might bring the magazine into disrepute.
Creative direction, that's what's needed.
Oh and David Vivian is a legend.
derestrictor said:
Dracoro said:
Other manufacturers don't get this level of attention when they release lightly modded versions of current cars.
Except Aston Martin, Ferrari and Lamborghini. Oh and Lotus, Mitsubishi, Subaru... Audi, BMW and Mercedes. They even do it with Bentley and probably Maybach (The 57S, an incredibly vital niche, that but yup, they covered it! )I'm afraid they actually cover almost every permutation of every performance variant (including tuned variants) going.
fridaypassion said:
I find it difficult to understand how any magazine could engage more with its readership given that its consistantly a very engaging read weather your in the market for a new Ferrari or not its nice to be in the passenger seat when they are testing it!
I think people's point is that it once put you in the drivers seat. I rue the day I sold all my old Evo's to a pal for £30 I still enjoy Evo. To be fair, not many of the cars they cover are cars I would buy, buy they are cars I like and I am happy to read about them.
I haven't done a before and after comparison to see if the fact that most of the content seems to be produced by Catchpole has dragged it down, but that might be worthwhile. Certainly I would agree that it would be great to see more Vivian, Barker et al rather than Bov and Catchpole.
And don't forget these guys rave about Integras, RS Clios and Minis, plus do some good pieced on older German metal, all of which can be had below £15K. We'd be screaming if they didn't cover new Aston and Porsches, wouldn't we?
I buy Evo, not for car buying advice as most of the cars are unaffordable, or unavailable in Australia, but for the narrative, the journey, the sense of being there.
To be honest I don't care about reading table after table of power to weight ratio and other dry data. Doesn't interest me. Instead I enjoy reading about the exitement of the journey, the scenery and all those things.
Seems to be a bit of jealousy creeping in "I can't afford this, so I don't want to read about it. Why can't they write about crap cars which I can afford so i don't feel threatened". They have championed the RCS, the Elise, the WRX, Panda, Swift Sport, Golf GTi, 205 GTI over and over, and numerous other cars that are affordable. So they have some more expensive cars in there. I don't care.
Some of the best articles have been only tangibly related to the car as such. Meadens 2 month saga across China in a Ferrari was an excellent piece of writing. Was it related to everyday? Hell no. Did it tell me about the cupholders? Nope. But it was engaging and well written. Which to me is far more important.
I find Car tedious. Top Gear juvenile. Practical Classics to full of beards. So I subscribe to Evo. In fact I just renewed it. So, basically, I disagree with what you are saying.
To be honest I don't care about reading table after table of power to weight ratio and other dry data. Doesn't interest me. Instead I enjoy reading about the exitement of the journey, the scenery and all those things.
Seems to be a bit of jealousy creeping in "I can't afford this, so I don't want to read about it. Why can't they write about crap cars which I can afford so i don't feel threatened". They have championed the RCS, the Elise, the WRX, Panda, Swift Sport, Golf GTi, 205 GTI over and over, and numerous other cars that are affordable. So they have some more expensive cars in there. I don't care.
Some of the best articles have been only tangibly related to the car as such. Meadens 2 month saga across China in a Ferrari was an excellent piece of writing. Was it related to everyday? Hell no. Did it tell me about the cupholders? Nope. But it was engaging and well written. Which to me is far more important.
I find Car tedious. Top Gear juvenile. Practical Classics to full of beards. So I subscribe to Evo. In fact I just renewed it. So, basically, I disagree with what you are saying.
Oh, FFS. No mag ever tells you what you need to know about a car. They tell you (in hyperbolic terms) what a car is like to drive at 8/10ths in some imaginary bit of the world where there are no speed limits and no "the national imaginary speed limit is 40mph" plonkers. It's escapism, pure and simple. Why anyone gives two sh*ts what a magazine thinks about their own car I will never understand. If you want to know what a car is actually like, effing drive it yourself. The OP is right that the quality of writing in Evo is declining: too many cliches, too much scruffy git lives expensive lifestyle vicariously - why can't journalists dress properly? The problem is not a lack of affordable cars - I spend just as much time being irritated by articles about the latest Vauxhall pumped-up diesel that I will never buy, to say nothing of the endless reviews of the latest Subara WRX STi ABC 123 uglyf*xk hatchoid, like anyone gives a b*gger about another plastic japmobile.
The problem is that all modern cars are too good for modern driving conditions, so rather than write about real-world high-speed driving characteristics, they either have to find irrelevant minor faults in on-limit handling that just make no difference in the real world or write tedious Which-style articles about the real differences that matter in day-to-day life. But who wants to read about how i-Drive loses your place in USB stick if you mute it before you switch off, or how the F1 shift has jerky take-up in slow traffic on Muswell Hill Road? You want to hear that the 535Ds immense torque makes for effortless overtaking (when frankly I doubt I'll make more than half-a-dozen overtakes a year that I couldn't accomplish in a 520D) or how the 360 is trickier on the limit than the 430, even though most of the time the only way I threaten rear grip is in mashing the throttle off a greasy roundabout at 25mph, in which circumstance I expect my mother could collect the resulting slide in any car.
The problem is that all modern cars are too good for modern driving conditions, so rather than write about real-world high-speed driving characteristics, they either have to find irrelevant minor faults in on-limit handling that just make no difference in the real world or write tedious Which-style articles about the real differences that matter in day-to-day life. But who wants to read about how i-Drive loses your place in USB stick if you mute it before you switch off, or how the F1 shift has jerky take-up in slow traffic on Muswell Hill Road? You want to hear that the 535Ds immense torque makes for effortless overtaking (when frankly I doubt I'll make more than half-a-dozen overtakes a year that I couldn't accomplish in a 520D) or how the 360 is trickier on the limit than the 430, even though most of the time the only way I threaten rear grip is in mashing the throttle off a greasy roundabout at 25mph, in which circumstance I expect my mother could collect the resulting slide in any car.
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