Tyre Stretching!!! PH strikes again.
Discussion
Does anybody know where tyre stretching originated from? It's obvious it's just the latest euro bandwagon that dub owners in the UK are jumping onto because they lack the intelligence to have their own tastes and decisions. But I'd be quite interested to see where it first started.
Most pointless chav modifications, the huge wheels and exhausts, over the top bodykits and chopped springs and excessive lowering can be attributed to people mis-interpreting the modifications on racing cars. 'Hey, race cars have big exhausts, aerodynamic spoilers, wide wheels and lowered suspension so if I carry out all the above on my hatchback I can be just like them' However I fail to see where the idiots got their idea of stretched tyres from.
Most pointless chav modifications, the huge wheels and exhausts, over the top bodykits and chopped springs and excessive lowering can be attributed to people mis-interpreting the modifications on racing cars. 'Hey, race cars have big exhausts, aerodynamic spoilers, wide wheels and lowered suspension so if I carry out all the above on my hatchback I can be just like them' However I fail to see where the idiots got their idea of stretched tyres from.
Looks totally stupid to me, as if the owner could not afford the proper width and had to make do with a narrower cheaper tyre. Can't imagine how crap they must handle and a bigger issue of putting stress's on the tyre that it was not designed for leading to failure, how very clever. Now, I don,t mind the euro look, prefering it to maxy pants look but this tyre stretching is just plain stupid.
Gazboy said:
Hang on hang on hang on.
The comedy boot fanboys were banging on for page and pages that their stretchy tyres were a) legal and b) safe, so what is the problem?
the tyres "might" be legal and safe (they look totally shi7 mind you) - though i really cant see them being as safe as regulary fitted tyres.The comedy boot fanboys were banging on for page and pages that their stretchy tyres were a) legal and b) safe, so what is the problem?
but surely a major part of the debate is that even if the tyres are ok the wheels themselves poking out past the arches not only look stupid but are blatantly illegal and naff looking.
guy on a south wales forum got 3 points this week on a polo with stretched tyres. This was because the wheel came out past the arch
Edited by BountyHunter on Saturday 12th July 18:10
Darkslider said:
Does anybody know where tyre stretching originated from? It's obvious it's just the latest euro bandwagon that dub owners in the UK are jumping onto because they lack the intelligence to have their own tastes and decisions. But I'd be quite interested to see where it first started.
Most pointless chav modifications, the huge wheels and exhausts, over the top bodykits and chopped springs and excessive lowering can be attributed to people mis-interpreting the modifications on racing cars. 'Hey, race cars have big exhausts, aerodynamic spoilers, wide wheels and lowered suspension so if I carry out all the above on my hatchback I can be just like them' However I fail to see where the idiots got their idea of stretched tyres from.
You're so off the mark as far as the Dub scene goes. I can see it with the Max Power brigade, but IMO, VW modders don't do the modifications to replicate racers, unless specifically trying to.Most pointless chav modifications, the huge wheels and exhausts, over the top bodykits and chopped springs and excessive lowering can be attributed to people mis-interpreting the modifications on racing cars. 'Hey, race cars have big exhausts, aerodynamic spoilers, wide wheels and lowered suspension so if I carry out all the above on my hatchback I can be just like them' However I fail to see where the idiots got their idea of stretched tyres from.
Personally I can't stand the Max Power type of cars or a lot of the PH cars, but I'm not going to come on here s
gging them off. As far as the safety of the tyre stretching goes, have any actual tests been done? I've not seen any evidence against it. Fine, you don't like tyre stretching, I say give it a rest now.
big dub said:
Personally I can't stand the Max Power type of cars or a lot of the PH cars, but I'm not going to come on here sgging them off. As far as the safety of the tyre stretching goes, have any actual tests been done? I've not seen any evidence against it.
Why would something that goes blatantly against the recommendation of the people that developed the tyres, need testing? Do you also want independent tests of the effects of drying your chihuahua in the microwave before you're inclined to believe that it may not be a good thing?gging them off. As far as the safety of the tyre stretching goes, have any actual tests been done? I've not seen any evidence against it. Tyre sidewalls are designed to work best when vertical to the ground. Of course there is a range of permissible deviation from that ideal, and that range has been defined for each tyre by the tyre manufacturer by specifying a minimum and maximum rim width for that tyre. End of.
Safe? No way, slighest touch of a kerb or the like will unseat the bead, and the tyre will deflate and you'll be running on metal, which isn't supposed to happen, to put it mildly!
Legal? dunno, but if the tyre is outside the manufacturers spec, probably could be.
OK for a fashion show, I guess, but not for the road.
Legal? dunno, but if the tyre is outside the manufacturers spec, probably could be.
OK for a fashion show, I guess, but not for the road.
Really good website here...
http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html
and on page 2, about a third of the way down, is a rim/tyre width calculator...
http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible_pg2.html
http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html
and on page 2, about a third of the way down, is a rim/tyre width calculator...
http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible_pg2.html
big dub said:
You're so off the mark as far as the Dub scene goes. I can see it with the Max Power brigade, but IMO, VW modders don't do the modifications to replicate racers, unless specifically trying to.
That's basically what I said, I can see where the Max Power brigade got their inspiration from in terms of exaggerated aerodynamics found on race cars, but I couldn't for the life of me work out where stretched tyres might have come from. But several links to the Japanese Bozo (sp?) culture indicate RWD drift cars used to fit narrower tyres on the rear to reduce traction and stiffen sidewalls so it's obvious the trend has carried on into the euro scene. Why people are doing it on FWD Golfs and Polos I have no idea but there you go 
miniman said:
So the people who do this to their tyres know or suspect that it is dodgy / illegal / whatever and don't want the police to pay much attention to them, and then get pissed off when they get that attention?
Ironically, the reason for stretching your tyres is to attract attention...
Youd think theyd be glad to have the situation clarified as to whether or not their cars were legal and safe.
I think the reaction of getting upset about it and trying to make it someone elses fault (lord knows it couldnt be theirs for putting the tyres on, its definately the fault of the people who pointed out its illegal and unsafe) is rather telling about the intelligence of these tyre-stretchers.
I think the reaction of getting upset about it and trying to make it someone elses fault (lord knows it couldnt be theirs for putting the tyres on, its definately the fault of the people who pointed out its illegal and unsafe) is rather telling about the intelligence of these tyre-stretchers.
That sounds like a technicality to me, when the law says the tyre, they mean the wheel, meaning the complete assembly of the rim with the tyre on it.
It's generally accepted that the wheel must not protrude beyond the arch. If the exact letter of the law does indeed state 'tyre' rather than 'wheel' or 'rim', then you may have a 'get out of jail free card'. But more than likely, the bib and the courts will simply interpret the law in its spirit, and find against you, rather than let you off on the semantics of the rules simply using a word like 'tyre' when they meant the the whole wheel, rim & tyre together.
They obviously didn't anticipate the euro look when the legislation was drafted, as probably when it was written, most tyres were wider than the rim, so the tyre would be the widest part of the wheel. I guess they could easily amend it though, if they have enough cases to consider.
Having said that, whether the law says tyre or rim, either of them are well outside of the arches for most of the examples I've seen posted up, so it's irrelevant, they aren't legal, and that's without going anywhere near the legality of the tyre stretched onto the rim debate.
It's generally accepted that the wheel must not protrude beyond the arch. If the exact letter of the law does indeed state 'tyre' rather than 'wheel' or 'rim', then you may have a 'get out of jail free card'. But more than likely, the bib and the courts will simply interpret the law in its spirit, and find against you, rather than let you off on the semantics of the rules simply using a word like 'tyre' when they meant the the whole wheel, rim & tyre together.
They obviously didn't anticipate the euro look when the legislation was drafted, as probably when it was written, most tyres were wider than the rim, so the tyre would be the widest part of the wheel. I guess they could easily amend it though, if they have enough cases to consider.
Having said that, whether the law says tyre or rim, either of them are well outside of the arches for most of the examples I've seen posted up, so it's irrelevant, they aren't legal, and that's without going anywhere near the legality of the tyre stretched onto the rim debate.
Edited by Balmoral Green on Saturday 12th July 19:39
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