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Or888t said:
i remember said:
You may laugh, but harry metcalfe of EVO mag has seen 100+mpg out of one of these.
ETA: ok maybe not for 5k but a few k more i did see one for sale not long back.
Edited by i remember on Wednesday 5th January 22:57
Specs?
The big point a lot of people miss (but has been mentioned) is now that cars have made big leaps up to the 50-60mpg level, that there is little extra financial benefit of going to higher levels as you are trying to save money on a ever smaller percentage of the running costs.
eg 10,000 miles at £5.80 per gallon (£1.30/l)
@20mpg = £2,895
@40mpg = £1,447
@60mpg = £965
@80mpg = £723
So jumping up by 20mpg from 20 to 40 is well worth some expenditure as it saves £1,447 per year, but if you are at 60mpg, then jumping 20mpg only saves you £241!
So the point really is that once you are above the 50mpg or so level, then what really matters is not the extra fuel economy, but the other running costs, such as servicing, tax, insurance, repairs and depreciation.
Higher mpg is great for the planet, but may not be best for your wallet!
eg 10,000 miles at £5.80 per gallon (£1.30/l)
@20mpg = £2,895
@40mpg = £1,447
@60mpg = £965
@80mpg = £723
So jumping up by 20mpg from 20 to 40 is well worth some expenditure as it saves £1,447 per year, but if you are at 60mpg, then jumping 20mpg only saves you £241!
So the point really is that once you are above the 50mpg or so level, then what really matters is not the extra fuel economy, but the other running costs, such as servicing, tax, insurance, repairs and depreciation.
Higher mpg is great for the planet, but may not be best for your wallet!
Edited by Guyr on Wednesday 5th January 23:16
W00DY said:
Guyr said:
eg 10,000 miles at £5.80 per gallon (£1.30/l)
@20mpg = £2,895
@40mpg = £1,447
@60mpg = £965
@80mpg = £723
f@20mpg = £2,895
@40mpg = £1,447
@60mpg = £965
@80mpg = £723
k. I'm going to go back to pretending I never saw that.
Chris_w666 said:
W00DY said:
Guyr said:
eg 10,000 miles at £5.80 per gallon (£1.30/l)
@20mpg = £2,895
@40mpg = £1,447
@60mpg = £965
@80mpg = £723
f@20mpg = £2,895
@40mpg = £1,447
@60mpg = £965
@80mpg = £723
k. I'm going to go back to pretending I never saw that.
ian2144 said:
Our Skoda Fabia vRS will return 60+ mpg on am average A road run, like Aberdeen to Inverness on the A96.
A fun wee car, even when you push it never seen less than 47-48mpg
Are you going by the trip computer? I did, and 'achieved' averages of 65mpg but the actual was closer to 50mpg. Very inaccurate readings. Still a great everyday car though.A fun wee car, even when you push it never seen less than 47-48mpg
I'm not sure whether the Bluemotion Polo is within budget, but we regularly achieve 65-70 mpg. The trip computer is much more accurate too, and if you drive carefully on a longer trip then 80mpg+ is possible.
My partner achieved an indicated 93mpg over a 20 mile journey, but then she is much, much lighter than me
Skoda Fabia 1.4Tdi got 60+ Mpg (calculated from fill ups, not the computer) over it's lifetime with us, 50,000 miles in 4 years.
It was a thoroughly decent car as well, by no means fast but peppy enough to be pleasant to drive and not sluggish away from junctions for example.
It was an excellent car and I'd heartily reccommend one to anyone who needs good MPG and a comfortable car.
It was a thoroughly decent car as well, by no means fast but peppy enough to be pleasant to drive and not sluggish away from junctions for example.
It was an excellent car and I'd heartily reccommend one to anyone who needs good MPG and a comfortable car.
Would expect anything 1.0 of the small hatches will easily do 50mpg in normal driving.
I have a 1.nothing Yaris as daily car gets 50mpg for the average of a slow 15mile commute without trying or being gentle.
Running costs, it is a Toyota so all should be good. Cost to buy was under £500, will run till it collapses, but at moment still under 40,000 miles.
Air con, leccy windows and central locking needs for nothing else on a commute.
Diesel version possibly be even better.
I have a 1.nothing Yaris as daily car gets 50mpg for the average of a slow 15mile commute without trying or being gentle.
Running costs, it is a Toyota so all should be good. Cost to buy was under £500, will run till it collapses, but at moment still under 40,000 miles.
Air con, leccy windows and central locking needs for nothing else on a commute.
Diesel version possibly be even better.
I'm not sure how many cars actually achieve 60mpg+ in 'real world' traffic. We have a Smart CDi as our getting-to-work car and if it is only used for commutes, it won't do 60 mpg. In fact 55 would be a stretch. A colleague has a Citroen C1 Diesel and prior to that had a 1.4 TDi Lupo. Both are claimed 70 mpg+ cars but neither were much over 50 in reality.
Anyway, that aside, I third the Audi A2 idea.
Anyway, that aside, I third the Audi A2 idea.
i remember said:
You may laugh, but harry metcalfe of EVO mag has seen 100+mpg out of one of these.
ETA: ok maybe not for 5k but a few k more i did see one for sale not long back.
I paid £5k for mine nearly 2 years ago.ETA: ok maybe not for 5k but a few k more i did see one for sale not long back.
Edited by i remember on Wednesday 5th January 22:57
1.0 VTEC-E 3 cylinder - 67bhp yet only 56kg weight
13bhp motor which is essentially a 4th cylinder as it works on the flywheel.
All Aluminium body - 840kg
0-60 around 11, midrange can be pretty impressive.
80g, so post 2001 March is 0 tax, tyres and brakes last ages and I've yet to need to fix anything, if you do source from the states rather than UK.
My ownership MPG after 40,000 is 70MPG ( i reset Trip A when i got it), although my brother managed to reset it when he used it for a trip to Scotland at Xmas, Doh. Lifetime over 160k is 68.3mpg. Not bad really as thats everymile driven from cold etc.
Its not exactly effortless on the motorway, mainly as its so long geared, 30mph/1000 in 5th, but it gets pretty much constant MPG regardless of low speed town work or motorway at 75. 75mph will get 75mpg, not bad as its also petrol but for lots of motorway stuff a diesel would be easier work. Only problem now is the OEM tyres which are crazy light and low rolling are no longer made for the UK so those novelty 100mpg trips, or sections of 50mph road will become more difficult.
Not a car for everyone but a PH car in my book.
WeirdNeville said:
Skoda Fabia 1.4Tdi got 60+ Mpg (calculated from fill ups, not the computer) over it's lifetime with us, 50,000 miles in 4 years.
It was a thoroughly decent car as well, by no means fast but peppy enough to be pleasant to drive and not sluggish away from junctions for example.
It was an excellent car and I'd heartily reccommend one to anyone who needs good MPG and a comfortable car.
We've got a 1.4 Fabia (mainly used by wife) and definatley gets my vote. It was a thoroughly decent car as well, by no means fast but peppy enough to be pleasant to drive and not sluggish away from junctions for example.
It was an excellent car and I'd heartily reccommend one to anyone who needs good MPG and a comfortable car.
Display often shows 70+ on good, gently, run so real world figures must be 60 mpg.
In fact the Skoda is more economical than the Smart I use most of the time
Paul H
Guyr said:
The big point a lot of people miss (but has been mentioned) is now that cars have made big leaps up to the 50-60mpg level, that there is little extra financial benefit of going to higher levels as you are trying to save money on a ever smaller percentage of the running costs.
eg 10,000 miles at £5.80 per gallon (£1.30/l)
@20mpg = £2,895
@40mpg = £1,447
@60mpg = £965
@80mpg = £723
So jumping up by 20mpg from 20 to 40 is well worth some expenditure as it saves £1,447 per year, but if you are at 60mpg, then jumping 20mpg only saves you £241!
So the point really is that once you are above the 50mpg or so level, then what really matters is not the extra fuel economy, but the other running costs, such as servicing, tax, insurance, repairs and depreciation.
Higher mpg is great for the planet, but may not be best for your wallet!
Your post started off well, but you really feg 10,000 miles at £5.80 per gallon (£1.30/l)
@20mpg = £2,895
@40mpg = £1,447
@60mpg = £965
@80mpg = £723
So jumping up by 20mpg from 20 to 40 is well worth some expenditure as it saves £1,447 per year, but if you are at 60mpg, then jumping 20mpg only saves you £241!
So the point really is that once you are above the 50mpg or so level, then what really matters is not the extra fuel economy, but the other running costs, such as servicing, tax, insurance, repairs and depreciation.
Higher mpg is great for the planet, but may not be best for your wallet!
Edited by Guyr on Wednesday 5th January 23:16
ked it up at the endGad-Westy said:
A colleague has a Citroen C1 Diesel and prior to that had a 1.4 TDi Lupo. Both are claimed 70 mpg+ cars but neither were much over 50 in reality.
Putting aside the whole 'tuned for the test cycle' argument, driving style can make a large difference to fuel economy. But the OP is asking for a car that doesn't require that 'effort' (I'm guessing that means not wanting to worry about planning ahead, minimising brake use, etc etc.). I could happily suggest that the style of driving that lends itself to good fuel economy is also safer and smoother. I agree with others in that the cost to change the car may well outweight any saving you might get from improved fuel economy.
Guyr said:
The big point a lot of people miss (but has been mentioned) is now that cars have made big leaps up to the 50-60mpg level, that there is little extra financial benefit of going to higher levels as you are trying to save money on a ever smaller percentage of the running costs.
eg 10,000 miles at £5.80 per gallon (£1.30/l)
@20mpg = £2,895
@40mpg = £1,447
@60mpg = £965
@80mpg = £723
So jumping up by 20mpg from 20 to 40 is well worth some expenditure as it saves £1,447 per year, but if you are at 60mpg, then jumping 20mpg only saves you £241!
So the point really is that once you are above the 50mpg or so level, then what really matters is not the extra fuel economy, but the other running costs, such as servicing, tax, insurance, repairs and depreciation.
Higher mpg is great for the planet, but may not be best for your wallet!
thanks for posting that up eg 10,000 miles at £5.80 per gallon (£1.30/l)
@20mpg = £2,895
@40mpg = £1,447
@60mpg = £965
@80mpg = £723
So jumping up by 20mpg from 20 to 40 is well worth some expenditure as it saves £1,447 per year, but if you are at 60mpg, then jumping 20mpg only saves you £241!
So the point really is that once you are above the 50mpg or so level, then what really matters is not the extra fuel economy, but the other running costs, such as servicing, tax, insurance, repairs and depreciation.
Higher mpg is great for the planet, but may not be best for your wallet!
Edited by Guyr on Wednesday 5th January 23:16
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