UNITE shows it's true colours
Discussion
Whilst i think it is very important that the "rights" of the workers are supported, bearing in mind we operate as a Capitalist not Communist economy, has a Trade Union ever actually benefited it's workforce in the long term??? It just strikes me that the more you "hurt" your employer, they ultimately can only pass on that "Hurt" to their workforce?? If an employer is operating in a zone that is not sustainable, how can making them spend more money ever work????
Max_Torque said:
Whilst i think it is very important that the "rights" of the workers are supported, bearing in mind we operate as a Capitalist not Communist economy, has a Trade Union ever actually benefited it's workforce in the long term??? It just strikes me that the more you "hurt" your employer, they ultimately can only pass on that "Hurt" to their workforce?? If an employer is operating in a zone that is not sustainable, how can making them spend more money ever work????
Are you being serious?
Coal Miners!Good ol' Scargill, he's a bloody legend.
Twincam16 said:
The Tories announce they want to open a new generation of technical schools and the NUT's immediate response is 'this will create a two-tier education system'. This is their riposte to every single tory education policy regardless of whether it's actually what they've been asking for for years.
Labour's whole credo is to reject the idea that some people are just not set out for great things, and should be taught at an appropriate level to do something useful.
The trade union system did marvellous things 100 years ago, and they were very needed then. However most of the battles they fought were won a long time ago. So essentially the union head offices get paid by their members to eat pies. They should really be doing what they used to do, which is to provide help to workers who need it, by attempting to unionise eastern European fruit pickers and the like where there really are some flagrant abuses of workers. However in today's "me first" culture that would be frowned upon by the members who only look as far as their wages.
Asterix said:
elanfan said:
I'm a Unite member and politically opposite to this t
t - unfortunately I do not have any say in his views.
Honest question with no wind up intention at all - why don't you leave?t - unfortunately I do not have any say in his views. k you in the arse. Trust them.dowahdiddyman said:
AlpineWhite said:
What a bunch of s. I'll drive a fking truck around for £40,000 a year. fking hell.
£40,000 a year is what could be earned by fuel tanker drivers but not by many other truckers. 40k sounds a lot until you divide it by upto 71 hours a week.Would you want to drive a mobile bomb for a living I know I wouldn`t. s. I'll drive a fking truck around for £40,000 a year. fking hell."from April 2007
Daily Driving: Max 9 hours. Can be extended to 10 hours twice a week
Weekly Driving: Max 56 hours.
2 weeks: 90 hours"
From here: http://www.hgvcity.com/Regulations/regulations.htm
Edited by EDLT on Sunday 9th January 14:14
BOR said:
Asterix said:
elanfan said:
I'm a Unite member and politically opposite to this tt - unfortunately I do not have any say in his views.
Honest question with no wind up intention at all - why don't you leave?t - unfortunately I do not have any say in his views. k you in the arse. Trust them.It was an honest question and I've worked for many companies that pay a fair wage and don't try to f
k you over so I'm interested.So - I'll ask again. Why don't you leave? Do UNITE have the monopoly for working in your industry?
I'm asking because I don't know.
EDLT said:
dowahdiddyman said:
AlpineWhite said:
What a bunch of s. I'll drive a fking truck around for £40,000 a year. fking hell.
£40,000 a year is what could be earned by fuel tanker drivers but not by many other truckers. 40k sounds a lot until you divide it by upto 71 hours a week.Would you want to drive a mobile bomb for a living I know I wouldn`t. s. I'll drive a fking truck around for £40,000 a year. fking hell."from April 2007
Daily Driving: Max 9 hours. Can be extended to 10 hours twice a week
Weekly Driving: Max 56 hours.
2 weeks: 90 hours"
From here: http://www.hgvcity.com/Regulations/regulations.htm
Edited by EDLT on Sunday 9th January 14:14
Deva Link said:
irodger said:
Also, why are people who are registered on a performance car biased website reading the Mail?!!! Death wish? 
...even worse, they believe what it says.This has perhaps tainted my view of the 'Mail somewhat!
davepoth said:
Twincam16 said:
The Tories announce they want to open a new generation of technical schools and the NUT's immediate response is 'this will create a two-tier education system'. This is their riposte to every single tory education policy regardless of whether it's actually what they've been asking for for years.
Labour's whole credo is to reject the idea that some people are just not set out for great things, and should be taught at an appropriate level to do something useful.
The whole idea of comprehensive schools was 'a grammar-school education for all'. This used to work before Labour got in. I went to a comprehensive and got pretty much the same level of education I would have got at the private down the road, maybe minus the Latin. However, when Labour started meddling (after I'd left, thankfully), this notion of getting everyone to emerge from the state sector exactly the same through a battery of tests and standards choked the system to death.
Thing is, since then I think they shot state education in the foot. They go on and on about attaining grades in state schools, but thanks to grade inflation it's meaningless. I went back to my old school during my (thankfully aborted) PGCE and was shocked to discover they'd got rid of the library and the head of English told me 'we don't expect the kids to read novels, I mean, when was the last time even you read a novel?' (I've usually got a fiction and a non-fiction on the go at any one time). The actual academic expectations of even the brightest kids was rock-bottom but they'd still come out with 'good' grades - grades that represented bugger-all in the real world. The result is that I don't think I've seen quite so many ex-public school types in high-profile jobs before.
Also, why have the teaching unions got this notion that technical qualifications and achievements are somehow worth 'less' than academic ones? What about the likes of Brunel? Or the Stephenson brothers? Or Alan Turing? Or any one of the people working in UK motorsport today? These are major technical achievements worth celebrating that you won't follow up if the people likely to achieve them aren't allowed to study them.
But of course the Union line on all of this is that if anything affects the 1970s post-grammar-school notion of a 'comprehensive education' that has lead so proudly to the achievements of neighbourhood after neighbourhood of workless, skill-less kids growing up with neither prospects nor pride in their own abilities because the unions and Labour decided that being able to fix a car or plan an extension is somehow beneath the UK citizen, and it's far more useful to the country if these people learn about Shakespeare instead
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