Can anyone make a case for this?!

[va1o]

inkiboo said:

Ford Focus every day of the week. Better drive and much cheaper.

But is it though?

Golf 1.4 TSI 122 Match is £16,842 if you buy via a broker.... a new Focus 1.6 125 Titanium 5dr is £16,405 again with discounts applied and buying through a broker.

I can't comment on how the two compare drive-wise as I haven't driven the latest shape Focus (I presume you must be a journo since you apparently have?) as it has literally just come out. But, on paper the Golf is quicker and more economical, will hold onto its value significantly better and comes with the same level of kit. I am struggling to make a case for the Focus here. WhatCar magazine seem to think so too, they ranked the Golf higher than the Focus in the recent group test.

But I'm sure you know best

[Kiltox]

Erm, aren't some brokers selling the Focus for more like £12,000 at the moment?

EDIT - you meant the newest model, fair play

Doesn't change the fact that the Golf (and all VW cars) has the dullest interior known to man.

[kentmotorcompany]

Quite often dealers will advertise their demo stock before they are really ready to sell it. Hence the price is normally around list. Occasionally a customer will want exactly that spec, but does not want to wait for a new car.

When they have finished using it as a demo, and its goes on the forecourt it will be priced properly.

Like these ones:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/volks...

[Kiltox]

kentmotorcompany said:

Quite often dealers will advertise their demo stock before they are really ready to sell it. Hence the price is normally around list. Occasionally a customer will want exactly that spec, but does not want to wait for a new car.

When they have finished using it as a demo, and its goes on the forecourt it will be priced properly.

Like these ones:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/volks...

Could be right - I once had a Skoda Fabia courtesy car that was actually for sale on the dealer's website for a daft price but said "this vehicle will not be available until XX/XX/2010 because some tt is ragging the hell out of it"

[danneth]

lovely car but 15k to much

[anonymous-user]

va1o said:

inkiboo said:

Ford Focus every day of the week. Better drive and much cheaper.

But is it though?

Golf 1.4 TSI 122 Match is £16,842 if you buy via a broker.... a new Focus 1.6 125 Titanium 5dr is £16,405 again with discounts applied and buying through a broker.

I can't comment on how the two compare drive-wise as I haven't driven the latest shape Focus (I presume you must be a journo since you apparently have?) as it has literally just come out. But, on paper the Golf is quicker and more economical, will hold onto its value significantly better and comes with the same level of kit. I am struggling to make a case for the Focus here. WhatCar magazine seem to think so too, they ranked the Golf higher than the Focus in the recent group test.

But I'm sure you know best

So you are saying the golf is the only family car on the planet??
Sorry fella, it's all very well quoting prices and performance blah blah blah but at the end of the day if you are looking for a family car then I would assume you have a family to put in it and therefore some level of finacial responsibilty, so you would have to be the biggest idiot walking the planet to buy either of these cars brand new from a dealer or a broker, honest to god, why would you buy a mass produced car like this brand new. The car in question appears to be from a dealer and as mentioned is probably on a premium for some moron to lose some cash on. I am a family man and I would never buy a car brand new. May as well throw a few grand at the local tramp, anyone who buys this car is clearly mentally ill.
My experience of VW is that they are over hyped and crowing on past glories, the Focus is much improved and is a great all round car but expensive if they go wrong.
If you want to find a great family car then find one that suits your family rather than what some gobste down the pub tells you is a good car.
In my case we have 2 kids under 3 therefore a C4 Grand Picasso for the wife suits us due to it's all round capabilities, when they are older a smaller car such as a Focus/Golf/Astra/C4/307/A3 will do the trick.
40k for a Golf is just ridiculous, end of.

[interloper]

Ignoring the what you could have bought used debate for a moment, its still doesn't make sense. A 40k hatchback rarely makes sense. In my eyes there are two ways you could justify it, the first is the hardcore rally or race derivate but its clearly not that.

The other is the compact luxury exec card but it fails on that count too, it might be quick, very comfy and have every mod con but thats not enough. It looks bland, the interior is dull and it doesn't have enough cylinders, just one extra would have helped its cause.

I suppose the other justification might be a kind of preemptive pricing hike because inflation is about to go berserk and the garage don't want to faff about changing the price in a few days time! ,

[va1o]

NorfolkInClue1 said:

So you are saying the golf is the only family car on the planet??

Where did I say that?

NorfolkInClue1 said:

if you are looking for a family car then I would assume you have a family to put in it

Family car is merely the term used to describe cars in that class.

NorfolkInClue1 said:

you would have to be the biggest idiot walking the planet to buy either of these cars brand new from a dealer or a broker, honest to god, why would you buy a mass produced car like this brand new.

I'm sorry to break it to you but that sort of thing is perfectly normal. People do have to buy them new for them to be available second hand later on down the line.

NorfolkInClue1 said:

I am a family man and I would never buy a car brand new. May as well throw a few grand at the local tramp, anyone who buys this car is clearly mentally ill.

Just because it doesn't fit your personal requirements, it doesn't make anyone who buys it "mentally ill"

NorfolkInClue1 said:

40k for a Golf is just ridiculous, end of.

Not if people are willing to pay for it, VW is a business.

Edited by va1o on Thursday 24th February 22:12

[anonymous-user]

va1o said:

NorfolkInClue1 said:

So you are saying the golf is the only family car on the planet??

Where did I say that?

NorfolkInClue1 said:

if you are looking for a family car then I would assume you have a family to put in it

Family car is merely the term used to describe cars in that class.

NorfolkInClue1 said:

you would have to be the biggest idiot walking the planet to buy either of these cars brand new from a dealer or a broker, honest to god, why would you buy a mass produced car like this brand new.

I'm sorry to break it to you but that sort of thing is perfectly normal. People do have to buy them new for them to be available second hand later on down the line.

NorfolkInClue1 said:

I am a family man and I would never buy a car brand new. May as well throw a few grand at the local tramp, anyone who buys this car is clearly mentally ill.

Just because it doesn't fit your personal requirements, it doesn't make anyone who buys it "mentally ill"

NorfolkInClue1 said:

40k for a Golf is just ridiculous, end of.

Not if people are willing to pay for it, VW is a business.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 24th February 22:12

Apologies my friend if I have offended you but let me answer your response bit by bit numerically.

Quote 1: You jumped on the post regarding the Golf being a piece of st and the Focus was a valid alternative in such a manner as to suggest you think the Golf is the perfect family car, if I read that wrong then I apologise.

Quote 2: You lost me here, if it is a term used to describe the class of vehicle then by logic that is the market it is aimed for, family car is aimed at....................... a family????

Quote 3: Never heard of pre reg then? are you suggesting that the thousands of new plate cars with delivery mileage at reduced prices have already been bought and used for zero miles? That's my point mate, only an idiot would go to a dealer to pay full price, it's not a specialist or premium marque, it a Golf FFS?

Quote 4 and 5: Nothing to do with my personal requirements or VW as a business, let me make this as clear as I can. At no point ever is a VW Golf worth aprox 2 times the national average wage IMO.
I would not even dare ask for a list of alternatives to a Golf at over 40k for any market due to the size of the response I would get, it's not worth it in any market, never mind the "family" market.
So yes, I stand by my comment that you would have to be mentally challenged to think you had done well at buying a Golf at this price.
Sorry if you disagree but that's my opinion.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 25th February 22:06

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 25th February 22:07