CTR ep3.....thoughts
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TameRacingDriver said:
I think its something to do with the fact that to many folks, a cars worth is directly associated with its straight line speed or track time.
Not to mention how much power can be unleashed for the least money just by plugging a laptop in for five minutes.Mapping is the MacDonalds of the tuning world.
thetrash said:
He does have a point though. I've owned a supercharged CTR which had 280bhp and 400bhp depending on which supercharger was fitted. When it had 280 it would fall between FQ360s and FQ400s in terms of outright speed, The Evo having the edge out of slow corners and the CTR catching up once traction wasn't a problem. When it had 400 the difference was huge. That said the CTR was heavily modified.
That's makes no sense why would a 280 bhp civic be as quick as a 400bhp evo, even with drive train losses the evo will have far more power at the wheels? And as others have said imagine how quick and evo could be if you spent the same sort of money on it. It would absolutely rape any hot hatch in a straight line, which let's face it isn't what evos are about anyway. As for the the mps, I've only ever come across one looking to race my IX (which is lighter and faster than the X Danneth) and it was a complete no contest, a remap may have a closed the gap a bit but then the evo could be remapped to 400bhp cheaply too and actually be able to put the power down properly. "When it had 280 it would fall between FQ360s and FQ400s in terms of outright speed"
Evo X FQ-360 (354 bhp) / (1560 kg) = 230.564491 bhp per long ton
280bhp Civic (280 bhp) / (1204 kg) = 236.289979 bhp per long ton
Evo X FQ-400 (403 bhp) / (1560 kg) = 262.478785 bhp per long ton
Supercharger would add a little weight, but "the CTR was heavily modified", so that could be mitigated. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
otolith said:
"When it had 280 it would fall between FQ360s and FQ400s in terms of outright speed"
Evo X FQ-360 (354 bhp) / (1560 kg) = 230.564491 bhp per long ton
280bhp Civic (280 bhp) / (1204 kg) = 236.289979 bhp per long ton
Evo X FQ-400 (403 bhp) / (1560 kg) = 262.478785 bhp per long ton
Supercharger would add a little weight, but "the CTR was heavily modified", so that could be mitigated. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
superman84 said:
otolith said:
"When it had 280 it would fall between FQ360s and FQ400s in terms of outright speed"
Evo X FQ-360 (354 bhp) / (1560 kg) = 230.564491 bhp per long ton
280bhp Civic (280 bhp) / (1204 kg) = 236.289979 bhp per long ton
Evo X FQ-400 (403 bhp) / (1560 kg) = 262.478785 bhp per long ton
Supercharger would add a little weight, but "the CTR was heavily modified", so that could be mitigated. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
They're nice cars, OP.
I have a DC5 but was out a run in a friends EP3 the other day (albeit KPRO with 4k VTEC, Feels exhaust, GruppeM, Quaife etc) but it was a nice place to be in, and with those mods anyway I couldn't feel much difference between it and my DC5 with 4-2-1, Dastek, intake, catback. (You'll find that it's bloody hard to compare a standard type R to a standard type R, as so few are standard!)
Lovely cars, just find a good one and ignore the incredible amount of crap people have seen fit to post all over your thread.
I have a DC5 but was out a run in a friends EP3 the other day (albeit KPRO with 4k VTEC, Feels exhaust, GruppeM, Quaife etc) but it was a nice place to be in, and with those mods anyway I couldn't feel much difference between it and my DC5 with 4-2-1, Dastek, intake, catback. (You'll find that it's bloody hard to compare a standard type R to a standard type R, as so few are standard!)
Lovely cars, just find a good one and ignore the incredible amount of crap people have seen fit to post all over your thread.
otolith said:
To be fair, he didn't actually say it was as fast as a 400bhp Evo, he said it was slower than an FQ400 and quicker than an FQ360.
But made ground up when traction wasnt an issue? Maybe I read that wrong. Either way I dint see how it would be quicker than a fq360 which wasn't a X anyway. Off topic anyhow. superman84 said:
Evo 9 fq360 = 266bhp/ton
Evo 8 fq400 = 292bhp/ton
A 280bhp civic or a remapped 3 mps would not be as quick as these standard cars anyway you look at it.
The Civic would be 232bhp/ton, once you factor in drivetrain losses the figure will be a lot closer. Mine weighed a little less, 1170kg so they figure would be a little higher.Evo 8 fq400 = 292bhp/ton
A 280bhp civic or a remapped 3 mps would not be as quick as these standard cars anyway you look at it.
superman84 said:
That's makes no sense why would a 280 bhp civic be as quick as a 400bhp evo, even with drive train losses the evo will have far more power at the wheels? And as others have said imagine how quick and evo could be if you spent the same sort of money on it. It would absolutely rape any hot hatch in a straight line, which let's face it isn't what evos are about anyway. As for the the mps, I've only ever come across one looking to race my IX (which is lighter and faster than the X Danneth) and it was a complete no contest, a remap may have a closed the gap a bit but then the evo could be remapped to 400bhp cheaply too and actually be able to put the power down properly.
This isn't about spend as much on an evo and what happens blah blah, why do people get so defensive? is was just a simple comment which is also FACT my car is as quick as a 340bhp evo in a line, also managed to see off an STI as well, its not surprising and its not a stupid claim my car can be backed up with various users on different forums all with bigger powered cars no matter what anyone says for a hot hatch with £400 of mods and a spec like it has and still seeing 30mpg its good it pointless adding silly claims it to it that i haven't or anyone else has said like a modded evo wouldn't be as quick or you cant do it with any other car etc etc zzzzz
danneth said:
This isn't about spend as much on an evo and what happens blah blah, why do people get so defensive? is was just a simple comment which is also FACT my car is as quick as a 340bhp evo in a line, also managed to see off an STI as well, its not surprising and its not a stupid claim my car can be backed up with various users on different forums all with bigger powered cars
no matter what anyone says for a hot hatch with £400 of mods and a spec like it has and still seeing 30mpg its good it pointless adding silly claims it to it that i haven't or anyone else has said like a modded evo wouldn't be as quick or you cant do it with any other car etc etc zzzzz
The thing is I don't believe 400 quid can make an mps anywhere near as quick as a evo 8/9 fq 340 and I haven't seen any independent information to prove that this would be the case. You say beat an evo I say I came across an mps and its performance in the context of the evo was mediocre at best. Some of these hatches are good all rounders but I don't get why their owners make out a simple remap makes them quicker than cars clearly a level above. Bit like diesel owners really always trying to prove a point. no matter what anyone says for a hot hatch with £400 of mods and a spec like it has and still seeing 30mpg its good it pointless adding silly claims it to it that i haven't or anyone else has said like a modded evo wouldn't be as quick or you cant do it with any other car etc etc zzzzz
superman84 said:
The thing is I don't believe 400 quid can make an mps anywhere near as quick as a evo 8/9 fq 340 and I haven't seen any independent information to prove that this would be the case. You say beat an evo I say I came across an mps and its performance in the context of the evo was mediocre at best. Some of these hatches are good all rounders but I don't get why their owners make out a simple remap makes them quicker than cars clearly a level above. Bit like diesel owners really always trying to prove a point.
This. What did the 400quid go on? A remap?I came across a thread on another forum, showing a MPS with an induction kit and remap and it made a measly 15bhp more than standard.
It really is a load of b
ks, and like you say, no better than the diesel remap thing.Nothing is free. A remap adds more wear on the engine, a lot of the time other things are needed to add any sort if decent gains, such as intercooler, etc and then the costs aren't 400quid or even close to.
Love em , dont mod the type r until youve tried it with the standard power , weve had ours for years and im more than happy with the bhp .
I wouldnt mind supercharging it , however the other half has put me off.
Kpro is the ecu you want if your going to mod it as they can be adjusted everytime you add some performance enhancements on.
A free flow filter , decent manifold , and a decent exhaust is the basic .
I wouldnt mind supercharging it , however the other half has put me off.
Kpro is the ecu you want if your going to mod it as they can be adjusted everytime you add some performance enhancements on.
A free flow filter , decent manifold , and a decent exhaust is the basic .
Grovsie26 said:
This. What did the 400quid go on? A remap?
I came across a thread on another forum, showing a MPS with an induction kit and remap and it made a measly 15bhp more than standard.
It really is a load of bks, and like you say, no better than the diesel remap thing.
Nothing is free. A remap adds more wear on the engine, a lot of the time other things are needed to add any sort if decent gains, such as intercooler, etc and then the costs aren't 400quid or even close to.
the remap does make about 15bhp at peak over standard but at 6000rpm + your about 65-70bhp up over standard I came across a thread on another forum, showing a MPS with an induction kit and remap and it made a measly 15bhp more than standard.
It really is a load of b
ks, and like you say, no better than the diesel remap thing.Nothing is free. A remap adds more wear on the engine, a lot of the time other things are needed to add any sort if decent gains, such as intercooler, etc and then the costs aren't 400quid or even close to.
the intake is really restrictive to once thats changed you can change the map again and get abit more boost The remap was only £250 and the new intake was £150, keep calling it b
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