RE: Driven: Toyota GT 86

[rb5er]

otolith said:

Indeed - if it has 200bhp and 1200kg, power to weight will be around 169bhp/ton. Better than a Focus ST, Civic Type-R, MINI Cooper S, Clio 200 Cup, Golf GTi, etc. That used to be a lot - it's all that a Sierra Cosworth had. Things may have moved on in terms of what you can get, but it's still more than you need

If it has better power/weight ratio and is rwd, why does it have a slower 0-60 time than all those cars you mention which are hindered in their stats by being fwd.

I would rather see a 0-100 or 1/4 mile time.

[kambites]

Johnnytheboy said:

I think what puts me off is the lack of torque. Having come from a very peaky NA 2-litre car to one with lashings of midrange, I'd miss the ability to overtake things without having to change down twice.

(yes I know this means I'm not a proper driver or something , I just like going quickly)

Thing is though, there's plenty of cars that do what you want. Those of us who want throttle response and actually prefer to have to thrash engines to get anywhere are barely catered for these days. It's not as if this car will make all the torque monsters on the market vanish.

[s m]

otolith said:

Chris71 said:

Personally I think the only time I'd miss it is when overtaking. That said, 7-ish seconds to 60 is hardly glacial.

Indeed - if it has 200bhp and 1200kg, power to weight will be around 169bhp/ton. Better than a Focus ST, Civic Type-R, MINI Cooper S, Clio 200 Cup, Golf GTi, etc. That used to be a lot - it's all that a Sierra Cosworth had. Things may have moved on in terms of what you can get, but it's still more than you need.

Almost identical performance to the E30 M3 if the figures are accurate. Not surprising really as the weight, power and tyre size is similar

[D200]

braddo said:

You and your winkies overestimate the value of your posts. Just because you only recently registered on here, you think there hasn't been literally dozens of pages of the same posts over several threads during the past year or two?

If you had read the articles and the other threads properly, took notice of the design philosphy of the car and its target market, considered the costs of manufacturing bespoke platforms, compared the car to its direct competitors, realised that concept cars have never been production ready, noticed that macroeconomic events in the past few years have not gone in the UK's (or Ireland's) favour compared to Japan, you might have realised the real value of your contributions so far.

I hope you realize what a complete knob this statement makes you

‘You and your winkies overestimate the value of your posts. Just because you only recently registered on here, you think there hasn't been literally dozens of pages of the same posts over several threads during the past year or two?’

I am not over estimating the value of my posts, tell me how this is the case? I am giving my opinion, some agree, some don’t.

But its obvious you massively overestimate your opinion more than any one else. And just because you have register years ago and made loads of posts, does this somehow make you view more relevant than anyone else?

Who gives a flying ****, and what relevance is this to anything? I actually find this funny!

PS Chris Harris is new to pistonheads you may have noticed, does this mean because his post count is low that his view mean nothings compared to someone who has made say 1667 posts??

Do you realize how ridiculous this statement is and how much of a knob this makes you? There seems to be some kind of ridiculous snobbery in ph – somehow the more posts you make [no matter how pointless or baseless they are] the more knowledgably or important this makes you comment? Sorry, but what total and utter rubbish.

By the way, I have been reading pistonheads about 5 years, and have read countless articles on this car, and have read every article on every published magazine about this car. I have also read nearly every pistonheads discussion about this car. I just haven’t commented on it. And as the car nears release and the price comes out then this is more relevant that some discussion last year.

Are people not allowed to have a discussion about this car [and I am agreeing with lots of people and vice versa]?

And because you disagree with what I say – you come out with a childish statement like that. Grow up please

[gmh23]

D200 said:

and have read every article on every published magazine about this car.

even the ones written in japanese?

[otolith]

rb5er said:

otolith said:

Indeed - if it has 200bhp and 1200kg, power to weight will be around 169bhp/ton. Better than a Focus ST, Civic Type-R, MINI Cooper S, Clio 200 Cup, Golf GTi, etc. That used to be a lot - it's all that a Sierra Cosworth had. Things may have moved on in terms of what you can get, but it's still more than you need

If it has better power/weight ratio and is rwd, why does it have a slower 0-60 time than all those cars you mention which are hindered in their stats by being fwd.

I would rather see a 0-100 or 1/4 mile time.

It's a good question - I would guess that either the estimates are conservative or that it isn't geared to optimise 0-60.

[D200]

gmh23 said:

D200 said:

and have read every article on every published magazine about this car.

even the ones written in japanese?

yes

[DanDC5]

As with the price, can I also point out the 0-60 is 'provisional' and only a rough figure Toyota are releasing. I'd say it's likely this car will be more like mid 6's than 7 seconds. Until it's actually timed and official figures are released it's a discussion over guesstimates and nothing more.

[D200]

Maybe there should be disclaimer on pistonheads forum stating that anyone with less than say 1000 posts on pistonheads forum has no relevance and should not be allowed to say anything. Or just stop new people joining up, how about that?

And anyone with say 1668 posts automatically has precedence over any mere mortals with a less post count – and their opinion is gospel and overrides anything anyone says, all purely based on post count

And when you get to 10000000 posts you are allowed to delete other people posts

[otolith]

Johnnytheboy said:

I think what puts me off is the lack of torque. Having come from a very peaky NA 2-litre car to one with lashings of midrange, I'd miss the ability to overtake things without having to change down twice.

(yes I know this means I'm not a proper driver or something , I just like going quickly)

Not something that really bothers me. The 350Z and the Saab are all mid range, and although the Elise is very peaky, it's still got hot-hatch acceleration if you short-shift, but the RX-8 and Civic Type-R needed low gears for overtaking. Even in the current cars, I wouldn't typically be driving in an overtaking gear, so where overtaking a 40mph merchant in the RX-8 would have required a change to 2nd, in the Saab or Nissan it requires a change to 3rd. Picking one gear over another doesn't seem any hardship to me. The flipside is that the effect of the big heavy V6 on the Z's handling and the turbo on the Saab's throttle response really aren't my cup of tea.

[leef44]

10 Pence Short said:

What's all this crap about low weight and 'Prius' skinny tyres? It seems heavier than the old DC2 Integra and massively over tyred by comparison to it.

I know what you mean. I saw a Passat Coupe 2.0 diesel (front wheel drive of course) with fatter lower profile tyres and larger rimmed wheels on the rear than my TVR T350. I guess they were standard or a factory optional extra.

So its all relative. Marketing department like to make cars which drag along their heavy over tyred rear wheels nowadays.

[slashley]

I just don't like it. Looks boring and generic.

[M666 EVO]

D200 said:

braddo said:

You and your winkies overestimate the value of your posts. Just because you only recently registered on here, you think there hasn't been literally dozens of pages of the same posts over several threads during the past year or two?

If you had read the articles and the other threads properly, took notice of the design philosphy of the car and its target market, considered the costs of manufacturing bespoke platforms, compared the car to its direct competitors, realised that concept cars have never been production ready, noticed that macroeconomic events in the past few years have not gone in the UK's (or Ireland's) favour compared to Japan, you might have realised the real value of your contributions so far.

I hope you realize what a complete knob this statement makes you

‘You and your winkies overestimate the value of your posts. Just because you only recently registered on here, you think there hasn't been literally dozens of pages of the same posts over several threads during the past year or two?’

I am not over estimating the value of my posts, tell me how this is the case? I am giving my opinion, some agree, some don’t.

But its obvious you massively overestimate your opinion more than any one else. And just because you have register years ago and made loads of posts, does this somehow make you view more relevant than anyone else?

Who gives a flying ****, and what relevance is this to anything? I actually find this funny!

PS Chris Harris is new to pistonheads you may have noticed, does this mean because his post count is low that his view mean nothings compared to someone who has made say 1667 posts??

Do you realize how ridiculous this statement is and how much of a knob this makes you? There seems to be some kind of ridiculous snobbery in ph – somehow the more posts you make [no matter how pointless or baseless they are] the more knowledgably or important this makes you comment? Sorry, but what total and utter rubbish.

By the way, I have been reading pistonheads about 5 years, and have read countless articles on this car, and have read every article on every published magazine about this car. I have also read nearly every pistonheads discussion about this car. I just haven’t commented on it. And as the car nears release and the price comes out then this is more relevant that some discussion last year.

Are people not allowed to have a discussion about this car [and I am agreeing with lots of people and vice versa]?

And because you disagree with what I say – you come out with a childish statement like that. Grow up please

Brilliant. And well said...

[VinceFox]

He's taller than you though.

[jhayward1980]

I quite agree - militant, unbalanced arrogant, replies, which are insulting which I wonder might reflect some form of suppressed real-world inadequacies. If something's been said before - move on. It is a forum - of a web-site most people love. People's post-count is irrelevant. If someone has something to say and it's their first post - good on 'em. If someone has posted thousands of times it does not earn them the right to be rude and insulting.

[RemyMartin]

The amount of vitriol and clap trap spoken about this car is unreal, you'd think it was the second coming or something.

[jhayward1980]

RemyMartin said:

The amount of vitriol and clap trap spoken about this car is unreal, you'd think it was the second coming or something.

You know that for the same money you could buy a nice speedboat.

http://pistonheads.com/sales/3447038.htm

[fildigger]

I love the fact that this/these Cars are stirring up such emotion

It's having a big impact and it 'aint hit the showrooms yet !...That has got to be good news for Subota (Subota because i'm firstly a Subara fan and it sounds better!)

Whether you like this car or not, anyone who understands why we are members of this forum should 'Get it'

[Big E 118]

Personally I'm not too keen on it looks wise but I do like the light weight rwd concept. It's a market sector that has been lacking cars in recent years any renaissance of driver focused cars is welcomed by me.

Let's see a few more manufacturers throw their cards on this table.

[LukeyLikey]

dtrump said:

MonkeyMatt said:

It sounds like its a very good drive indeed, though could be a bit quicker! However, I just dont like it at all. I think it just looks rubbish for some reason.

Same here. The interior may not be totally s***, but they clearly didnt try very hard. And the exterior again, may not be totally s***, but it is pretty s****y and just think about how this thing could have looked

It makes me crazy angry that for once a car is accessible and drives so darn well but it falls down hard on looks. It didnt have to look perfect but sure as hell deserves to look better

Subaru developed, powered and build this car, Toyota put the clothes on - this is not a car from a mainstream manufacturer but a specialist. That's why it drives brilliantly. Mine will be in the Subaru blue colour (meaning it will also be a Subaru).