Worst car I have ever driven....
Discussion
Durzel said:
Maybe there was a bit of hyperbole in there. It is quite a culture shock though, and feels quite a bit slower than the car I had even at 17 (Astra GTE).
I will concede though that perhaps my perspective is off.. post teenage years I've only really ever had performance motors (TTRS, 458, R34 GTR, etc)
Rick1.8t: In your zeal to hit the reply button you missed the bit where I said someone crashed into me. My driving skills are beyond reproach!!!11
Hyperbole? That's a rather cute way of realising what you have written makes you look like you may live in a bubble of your own creation?I will concede though that perhaps my perspective is off.. post teenage years I've only really ever had performance motors (TTRS, 458, R34 GTR, etc)
Rick1.8t: In your zeal to hit the reply button you missed the bit where I said someone crashed into me. My driving skills are beyond reproach!!!11
I completely missed the bit where you said anything about an accident of any kind to be honest, but maybe they crashed into you as they were in a terribly dangerous car such as the Jazz where it was just incapable of providing the performance required to avoid the accident?
Well, with that list of cars we can pretty much rule out what you wrote about the Jazz, cant we? Where you live, does everybody drive this type of car or do you fail to notice that half of everything else out on the road is a 'Jazz' type hatch? - You didn't even have a 'normal' first car if you had an Astra GTE, is this literally the first time you have driven what the majority of the public drive?
Edited by Rick1.8t on Monday 25th February 15:52
Probably not the “worst” car (that would probably have been the Seat that was born a Fiat Panda thing 20 odd years ago. A Marbella?) but I am always surprised by quite how uncompetitive Astras feel when I’m given them to replace Golfs come service time I’m not particularly snobbish, honest, but when I go from typically a bottom of the range diesel Golf to a mid trim but low powered petrol Astra I simply cannot understand how they sell them. I see they’re not even relatively cheap.
Rick1.8t said:
Hyperbole? That's a rather cute way of realising what you have written makes you look like you may live in a bubble of your own creation?
I completely missed the bit where you said anything about an accident of any kind to be honest, but maybe they crashed into you as they were in a terribly dangerous car such as the Jazz where it was just incapable of providing the performance required to avoid the accident?
Well, with that list of cars we can pretty much rule out what you wrote about the Jazz, cant we? Where you live, does everybody drive the same type of car or do you fail to notice that half of everything else out on the road is a 'Jazz' type car?
I've re-read Durzel's post and your reply, and am struggling to see what in the initial post warrants such vitriol? He even qualified it was probably a bit harsh nominating the Jazz in comparison to what he's used to? Did you get cut up by a TT Driver on the way into work this morning? I completely missed the bit where you said anything about an accident of any kind to be honest, but maybe they crashed into you as they were in a terribly dangerous car such as the Jazz where it was just incapable of providing the performance required to avoid the accident?
Well, with that list of cars we can pretty much rule out what you wrote about the Jazz, cant we? Where you live, does everybody drive the same type of car or do you fail to notice that half of everything else out on the road is a 'Jazz' type car?
Anyway for me it was a coin-flip between my mate from school's B Reg Fiesta 1.1 Ghia, which was gutless, stank of petrol, handled like a bowl of jelly (despite the XR2 alloys) and had a gearbox which contained 4 gears...somewhere. The other was a 2007 1.6 Astra which was slow, uncomfortable and chewed more petrol than the 328i I had at the time.
We have just returned a Renault captur, after 3 days hire in Grand Canaria , home hack is a DSG Tiguan ,toy is MX-5
So opted for automatic Captur, so as to not have to row car along with gear lever,car not bad but EDC (DSG) gearbox was awful ,slow to shift up , hard to induce kick down,then would hold low gear far to long . manual may have been better choice after all
So opted for automatic Captur, so as to not have to row car along with gear lever,car not bad but EDC (DSG) gearbox was awful ,slow to shift up , hard to induce kick down,then would hold low gear far to long . manual may have been better choice after all
JD82 said:
This. Had a convertible as a hire car in mid/late 2000s - utterly awful. Still the worst car of any age/ mileage that I have ever driven. Slow, noisy, terrible interior, ugly, rubbish soft top. And at only 5,10 I was unavoidably looking straight into the top of the windscreen surround. I remember the auto box being especially crap too.
have to admit that I quite enjoyed the one I drove in 1999. It was perfectly suited to lazy driving so it really worked for me. With that admission out of the way I'd like to nominate the Prius I had foisted on me at Orlando airport - totally hateful in every way. it lasted a little more than 12 hours (and that only because I had to wait until the next day) before it went back for something even passably drive-able.
(Dis)Honorable mention... FIAT 500 XL. wheezy p.o.s. with creaking interior
carlove said:
....Worst car I've ever drove however is a Vauxhall, the Viva courtesy car I got when the Astra was in for a repair, to be honest I immediately didn't like it because it was during that heat wave in July and it didn't have A/C....
The entry level trim for the Viva doesn't have aircon but the same is true for many small cars. Middle and upper trim levels have aircon. It was even possible to get them with built-in satnav, heated steering wheel and seats. I haven't yet seen any A-segment car with heated steering wheel.PSA will be culling the Viva later this year and replacing with a 108/C1/Aygo derivative. Unfortunately that trio are too cramped for me to drive but I find the Viva is comfy and spacious (wife has one which I use) and I can drive it for hours without getting uncomfortable.
However, maintaining 70-odd mph is hard work, frequently requiring dropping two gears and thrashing it to change lanes and overtake slower stuff without annoying cars coming up from behind in the outer lanes.
Ron99 said:
The entry level trim for the Viva doesn't have aircon but the same is true for many small cars. Middle and upper trim levels have aircon. It was even possible to get them with built-in satnav, heated steering wheel and seats. I haven't yet seen any A-segment car with heated steering wheel.
PSA will be culling the Viva later this year and replacing with a 108/C1/Aygo derivative. Unfortunately that trio are too cramped for me to drive but I find the Viva is comfy and spacious (wife has one which I use) and I can drive it for hours without getting uncomfortable.
However, maintaining 70-odd mph is hard work, frequently requiring dropping two gears and thrashing it to change lanes and overtake slower stuff without annoying cars coming up from behind in the outer lanes.
It was very spacious I will give it that, I'm 6f 3 and had no issues at all, on a long journey I had a bit of backache but I was also dripping with sweat down my back. i have driven an Aygo, it was fun to drive but not spacious. I think I'm too used to A/C, never had a car without it, even the Ka I had as my first car had it so was a shock to the system. To be completely honest i haven't driven that many cars so the Viva is probably just the worst of what I've driven, plus, despite the comments on here, I'm used to my very refined, comfortable and well equipped Astra, you could (obviosuly) feel the difference between the two immediately.PSA will be culling the Viva later this year and replacing with a 108/C1/Aygo derivative. Unfortunately that trio are too cramped for me to drive but I find the Viva is comfy and spacious (wife has one which I use) and I can drive it for hours without getting uncomfortable.
However, maintaining 70-odd mph is hard work, frequently requiring dropping two gears and thrashing it to change lanes and overtake slower stuff without annoying cars coming up from behind in the outer lanes.
jonm01 said:
It does surprise me when you get a hire car that is a latest generation vehicle just how poor they are. Just basic stuff like brakes and steering. It's the 21st century FFS
The worst car I've recently hired was Pug 2008. Fugly thing, horrible steering, weird driving position (either topply-barstool high or somewhere below the scuttle) snatchy throttle, horribly abrupt brakes. Almost impossible to drive smoothly and really hard to place on the road.It's the first and only car that I've driven that managed to make driving over the Beallach an utter misery.
Edited by AC43 on Monday 25th February 16:29
Rick1.8t said:
Hyperbole? That's a rather cute way of realising what you have written makes you look like you may live in a bubble of your own creation?
I completely missed the bit where you said anything about an accident of any kind to be honest, but maybe they crashed into you as they were in a terribly dangerous car such as the Jazz where it was just incapable of providing the performance required to avoid the accident?
Well, with that list of cars we can pretty much rule out what you wrote about the Jazz, cant we? Where you live, does everybody drive this type of car or do you fail to notice that half of everything else out on the road is a 'Jazz' type hatch? - You didn't even have a 'normal' first car if you had an Astra GTE, is this literally the first time you have driven what the majority of the public drive?
Nice meltdown.I completely missed the bit where you said anything about an accident of any kind to be honest, but maybe they crashed into you as they were in a terribly dangerous car such as the Jazz where it was just incapable of providing the performance required to avoid the accident?
Well, with that list of cars we can pretty much rule out what you wrote about the Jazz, cant we? Where you live, does everybody drive this type of car or do you fail to notice that half of everything else out on the road is a 'Jazz' type hatch? - You didn't even have a 'normal' first car if you had an Astra GTE, is this literally the first time you have driven what the majority of the public drive?
Edited by Rick1.8t on Monday 25th February 15:52
bodhi said:
I've re-read Durzel's post and your reply, and am struggling to see what in the initial post warrants such vitriol? He even qualified it was probably a bit harsh nominating the Jazz in comparison to what he's used to? Did you get cut up by a TT Driver on the way into work this morning?
Anyway for me it was a coin-flip between my mate from school's B Reg Fiesta 1.1 Ghia, which was gutless, stank of petrol, handled like a bowl of jelly (despite the XR2 alloys) and had a gearbox which contained 4 gears...somewhere. The other was a 2007 1.6 Astra which was slow, uncomfortable and chewed more petrol than the 328i I had at the time.
To be fair I looked the specs up at lunch and its 1.3l and has 100bhp, so yeah I can see that it's not objectively bad, only relatively bad. Opinions eh? One man's wine is another man's poison etc.Anyway for me it was a coin-flip between my mate from school's B Reg Fiesta 1.1 Ghia, which was gutless, stank of petrol, handled like a bowl of jelly (despite the XR2 alloys) and had a gearbox which contained 4 gears...somewhere. The other was a 2007 1.6 Astra which was slow, uncomfortable and chewed more petrol than the 328i I had at the time.
Appreciate you coming to my defence though
It's all so subjective as to be meaningless. Most of those 1.2 Corsas spend their time around town and city, averaging about 11 MPH or whatever the current urban average is, and for that they are perfectly adequate and cost their owners pennies. Most people couldn't give a damn about cars, and forums like this are viewed by the majority the same as IT forums about CPU speeds, or something else equally specific and of no interest to the majority. Never seen much attraction in the Corsa myself, but there's nothing objectively wrong with a Jazz.
Rick1.8t said:
What an absolute load of s
te - Come back to the real world and climb down off that TTRS shaped high-horse of yours.
Just because you made the financial decision to burden yourself with a depreciating, expensive, fast car much more capable than your driving abilities and road conditions allow doesn't mean the rest of the world needs to do the same. Are you suggesting the whole country should fly around in performance cars? (this is coming from someone who likes performance cars, I just don't expect the whole world to be the same)
Its one thing to say that you think your TT drives better / in a different league of performance than the much cheaper Jazz (designed to ferry people to the shops) that you borrowed but the drivel about having a 'newfound level of sympathy' is just plain ridiculous.
You do realise that an overwhelmingly large percentage of people on the road drive cars with the same or lesser performance than the probably 100bhp Jazz that seemed to disappoint and scare you so much? How does the public cope, give them all a TTRS for the sake of safety!
Agreed, utter nonsense that a Jazz is too slow. My first car was a 49bhp 1.0 Polo that did 0 to 60 in about 18 seconds. It was slow, admittedly, but it was far from unsafe. 100bhp is more than quick enough in a car that size, bet it feels positively nippy compared to my Polo. Even the slowest does 0 to 60 in under 12s.te - Come back to the real world and climb down off that TTRS shaped high-horse of yours.Just because you made the financial decision to burden yourself with a depreciating, expensive, fast car much more capable than your driving abilities and road conditions allow doesn't mean the rest of the world needs to do the same. Are you suggesting the whole country should fly around in performance cars? (this is coming from someone who likes performance cars, I just don't expect the whole world to be the same)
Its one thing to say that you think your TT drives better / in a different league of performance than the much cheaper Jazz (designed to ferry people to the shops) that you borrowed but the drivel about having a 'newfound level of sympathy' is just plain ridiculous.
You do realise that an overwhelmingly large percentage of people on the road drive cars with the same or lesser performance than the probably 100bhp Jazz that seemed to disappoint and scare you so much? How does the public cope, give them all a TTRS for the sake of safety!
Edited by Rick1.8t on Monday 25th February 15:08
CharlieAlphaMike said:
Renault Twingo (original version). It was a Hire Car so was brand new. I drove down the Amalfi Coast in it from Naples. It had a constant misfire and cut out on almost every corner (scary along that coast road). It was so bad that I actually managed to get a refund from the Hire Company!
Rushes to the defence. Broken cars don't count, the original Twingo still sits firmly in my all-time Top 5.Those claiming cars are 'dangerously slow'...they're not. Your driving skills are 'dangerously lacking'.
You should be able to get into any car, no matter how different from your own, and adapt your driving style to suit. Many in this thread clearly can't do that. Worrying.
I've driven all manner of awful pool and hire cars, and not a single one of them was 'dangerous'.
You should be able to get into any car, no matter how different from your own, and adapt your driving style to suit. Many in this thread clearly can't do that. Worrying.
I've driven all manner of awful pool and hire cars, and not a single one of them was 'dangerous'.
I think it was a pool car at the insurance company I worked for in the 1980s.
It was a Y plate 1100cc Escort Popular (so 1982/1983) with vinyl seats, no heated rear screen, no rear wiper and only 1 door mirror (on the driver's side).
As an added bonus there was an amber light that lit up when you tried to accelerate, followed by a red light when you tried to go up a hill!
F*cking hateful thing that we all caned to death - the only good thing about it was it made me appreciate the drive home in my MK2 Granada Ghia.
It was a Y plate 1100cc Escort Popular (so 1982/1983) with vinyl seats, no heated rear screen, no rear wiper and only 1 door mirror (on the driver's side).
As an added bonus there was an amber light that lit up when you tried to accelerate, followed by a red light when you tried to go up a hill!
F*cking hateful thing that we all caned to death - the only good thing about it was it made me appreciate the drive home in my MK2 Granada Ghia.
zarjaz1991 said:
Those claiming cars are 'dangerously slow'...they're not. Your driving skills are 'dangerously lacking'.
You should be able to get into any car, no matter how different from your own, and adapt your driving style to suit. Many in this thread clearly can't do that. Worrying.
I've driven all manner of awful pool and hire cars, and not a single one of them was 'dangerous'.
There’s always a ‘finger wagging’ on driving threads and here it is.You should be able to get into any car, no matter how different from your own, and adapt your driving style to suit. Many in this thread clearly can't do that. Worrying.
I've driven all manner of awful pool and hire cars, and not a single one of them was 'dangerous'.
You’re obviously a far superior driver than the rest of us normal mortals.
Seriously have you never felt vulnerable in an underpowered car incapable of a safe overtake?
Edited by bad company on Tuesday 26th February 04:35
Edited by bad company on Tuesday 26th February 04:57
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