RE: BMW M6 Gran Coupe - official
Discussion
BeirutTaxi said:
Pistonwot said:
I expect the substance to be there when in reality its not.
I think you are referring to the M6 Gran Coupe.If I may be so bold, I don't understand the basis of the above quotation. Not only have you never driven the car, but there is also the fact that ///M has always been about a fully loaded 3/5/6/Roadster series with chassis and performance modifications. There aren't any ///M owners on here who complain about that either.
An interesting fact I found earlier too:
E30 M3 kerb weight: 1300KG
E30 316i kerb weight: Approx 1100KG.
And yet how many times has the E30 M3 been referred to as the holy grail of M cars because it's "so incredibly light and not a typical ///M lard-arse"
Go figure.
Edited by BeirutTaxi on Tuesday 18th December 12:19
The E30 has exceptional dynamics and balance due to it having very little inertia. It is a fun car.
It doesnt need a computer to compensate for a poor chassis which cannot handle the extreme weight acting against it.
The M6 doesnt do dynamics. It is dull, maybe moderate at best but not really all that great.
I dont see how adding extra weight, extra length, extra width and even more heavy tat will help magic away the fundamental problems of the car.
Most of which are a direct cause of the near 2 tonne weight.
ETA: This is the BMW description of M.
High performance, outstanding technology and the true sensation of motor sports can be expressed in one single letter: M.
Utter cobblers.
Edited by Pistonwot on Tuesday 18th December 15:23
astirling said:
Pistonwot said:
Smoke and mirrors is working!
Are you telling me that my car is really a "turd", that it's terrible to drive, it's like hairy, overweight hooker - but that I think it's good because of marketing "smoke and mirrors"? Seriously?Go and drive a genuine sports car and then reconsider what has been written bearing that in mind.
How these things are classed as sports cars is the biggest indication that all is not well.
Im not having a dig at anyone other than BMW for taking such liberties for profits when they really shouldnt, nor should they be encouraged.
Its outrageous.
Pistonwot said:
Im sure its great for you but as a sports car, Im afraid that to me, yes it is. You cant truely believe its a sports car either? The sportiest thing about it are the golf clubs in the boot and if there are none, well, back to square one we go!
Go and drive a genuine sports car and then reconsider what has been written bearing that in mind.
How these things are classed as sports cars is the biggest indication that all is not well.
Im not having a dig at anyone other than BMW for taking such liberties for profits when they really shouldnt, nor should they be encouraged.
Its outrageous.
I'm not sure BMW calling it a sports car, if indeed they are, is generating profits for them. The people choosing to buy them are generating profits. Then again, I know someone who bought a new MX5 and then complained that it wasn't that fast and sold it shortly after, so maybe the marketers do have more power than I give them credit for. She thought she was buying a Porsche rival and didn't even bother to arrange a test drive. Silly.Go and drive a genuine sports car and then reconsider what has been written bearing that in mind.
How these things are classed as sports cars is the biggest indication that all is not well.
Im not having a dig at anyone other than BMW for taking such liberties for profits when they really shouldnt, nor should they be encouraged.
Its outrageous.
astirling said:
HighwayStar said:
Pistonwot said:
If the hookers were touted as being stunners straight outta a fashion parade but the reality was they all weighed 20 stone had facial hair, boss eyes and snaggle teeth.
Sheeet, Id complain too. And rightly so.
WHY?
No-one respects a liar.
Theres no respect for companies and their Marketing c***s who study ways to improve their constant lying and greed.
THAT irks people.
These companies are constantly being deceitful and shamelessly greedy when there is no need for it, and for that they deserve a mocking.
And thats what theyre receiving.
For me the main issue with these lard-mobiles are the tall tales of lardy s
t heaps that are performance cars, supercars and sports cars, blah blah, basically ANYTHING that they can invent a turd into that costs a bit extra. Just to get a 'premium'. Its pathetic.
At least they could be semi-decent and sell what theyre claiming they have built. Its boring and logic dictates smoke and mirrors only works on idiots.
The truth is these cars are such rediculous monstrosities and so over-rated they lose a minimum of £10,000 just leaving the forecourt.
What we are asking is for the liars to tell the truth.
These vehicles are quite obviously dull executive barges. Mediocre at best.
So call them executive barges.
Tell it like it is or stop whining and take the mocking that you deserve like a man.
What a complete dick!!! You need to relax and get out more Sheeet, Id complain too. And rightly so.
WHY?
No-one respects a liar.
Theres no respect for companies and their Marketing c***s who study ways to improve their constant lying and greed.
THAT irks people.
These companies are constantly being deceitful and shamelessly greedy when there is no need for it, and for that they deserve a mocking.
And thats what theyre receiving.
For me the main issue with these lard-mobiles are the tall tales of lardy s
t heaps that are performance cars, supercars and sports cars, blah blah, basically ANYTHING that they can invent a turd into that costs a bit extra. Just to get a 'premium'. Its pathetic.At least they could be semi-decent and sell what theyre claiming they have built. Its boring and logic dictates smoke and mirrors only works on idiots.
The truth is these cars are such rediculous monstrosities and so over-rated they lose a minimum of £10,000 just leaving the forecourt.
What we are asking is for the liars to tell the truth.
These vehicles are quite obviously dull executive barges. Mediocre at best.
So call them executive barges.
Tell it like it is or stop whining and take the mocking that you deserve like a man.
I hate to say it, but it sounds like the rantings of someone who never has, and never will, have the opportunity to drive this sort of car. Whether it's a car you like or not, you can't claim that any car built by BMW (or any other major manufacturer) and selling for the price this M6 sells for is a "rediculous" [sic] "turd".
In fact, I'd argue that no manufacturer is turning out a "turd" these days, no matter what the price. All cars are good, it's just how good and what you're looking for that makes the difference.
I do not require a 2 tonne car that resembles a living room and if I did I would purchase a Rolls Royce because it has been done properly, and it is sold as that too.
It is something your ilk wont and cant understand, an honest car.
"Whether it's a car you like or not, you can't claim that any car built by BMW (or any other major manufacturer) and selling for the price this M6 sells for is a "rediculous" [sic] "turd"."
Is this a joke? I am unsure if youre kidding.
If serious.
Why do the barges lose £10-£20 grand minimum the second they leave the forecourts and 5 years later theyre fetching a few grand at best?
Where did all the money go if they are good value and worth every penny?
I do consistently say the same thing about such s
t cars, what a hate filled ba**ard I must be, eh. Heres WHY I say it.
Its my honest response to the same lies Marketers are blagging you with and I say it because I dont simply believe everything I am told hook line and sinker.
Words already have clear definitions attached to them, I understand these and ignore the Marketing douche when its telling me what that word means for today.
(Douche is just trying to get your money by lying and it seems to be working)
I drive these type of things plenty and for me they are utterly boring, they have no dynamic feel, no feedback, no interaction and a severe lack excitement.
Worse still, they dont like PLAYING.
Just point, go, slow for corner, point, go, slow for corner. YAWN.
In town I usually walk if Im stuck with one of these things because I get more satisfaction and fulfilment out of it.
Riddle me this.
A set of new premium sports tyres can be easily ruined in 20 miles or less.
How could that be if its a well set up sports car with good balance?
zebedee said:
Pistonwot said:
Im sure its great for you but as a sports car, Im afraid that to me, yes it is. You cant truely believe its a sports car either? The sportiest thing about it are the golf clubs in the boot and if there are none, well, back to square one we go!
Go and drive a genuine sports car and then reconsider what has been written bearing that in mind.
How these things are classed as sports cars is the biggest indication that all is not well.
Im not having a dig at anyone other than BMW for taking such liberties for profits when they really shouldnt, nor should they be encouraged.
Its outrageous.
I'm not sure BMW calling it a sports car, if indeed they are, is generating profits for them. The people choosing to buy them are generating profits. Then again, I know someone who bought a new MX5 and then complained that it wasn't that fast and sold it shortly after, so maybe the marketers do have more power than I give them credit for. She thought she was buying a Porsche rival and didn't even bother to arrange a test drive. Silly.Go and drive a genuine sports car and then reconsider what has been written bearing that in mind.
How these things are classed as sports cars is the biggest indication that all is not well.
Im not having a dig at anyone other than BMW for taking such liberties for profits when they really shouldnt, nor should they be encouraged.
Its outrageous.
If you or I were so misleading when selling something we would be arrested for our trouble.
And rightly so.
Its like selling 2 conjoined caravans as an executive home because youve propped it up on bricks .
OMG how does the driver of this M6 paint the art of car control despite the weight. What a shocker! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&...
These folks keep laughing at the weight and lack of performance I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JCXBXP8ttU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&...
These folks keep laughing at the weight and lack of performance I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JCXBXP8ttU
BeirutTaxi said:
OMG how does the driver of this M6 paint the art of car control despite the weight. What a shocker!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&...
These folks keep laughing at the weight and lack of performance I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JCXBXP8ttU
The art of car control involves a lot more than a little skid on a runway. The snap on transition looks frightniong and scary all at once, dont fancy that at all.http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&...
These folks keep laughing at the weight and lack of performance I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JCXBXP8ttU
Theres no knocking Claudia's driving, she is super fast ultra talented and it is her skill that brings the joy not he car.
To those claiming this is pointless, do you also think the Mercedes cls63 is pointless? Clearly its not, for they have sold a fair few and it a very similar car.
Secondly, those joking that a 5 series coupe may be next.... Do you also moan the somewhat successful Mercedes E class coupe is also pointless?
Their sales prove you wrong and that's what BMW are after.
Secondly, those joking that a 5 series coupe may be next.... Do you also moan the somewhat successful Mercedes E class coupe is also pointless?
Their sales prove you wrong and that's what BMW are after.
Pistonwot said:
Eyes of the beholder and to me they are rediculous!
I do not require a 2 tonne car that resembles a living room and if I did I would purchase a Rolls Royce because it has been done properly, and it is sold as that too.
It is something your ilk wont and cant understand, an honest car.
"Whether it's a car you like or not, you can't claim that any car built by BMW (or any other major manufacturer) and selling for the price this M6 sells for is a "rediculous" [sic] "turd"."
Is this a joke? I am unsure if youre kidding.
If serious.
Why do the barges lose £10-£20 grand minimum the second they leave the forecourts and 5 years later theyre fetching a few grand at best?
Where did all the money go if they are good value and worth every penny?
I do consistently say the same thing about such st cars, what a hate filled ba**ard I must be, eh.
Heres WHY I say it.
Its my honest response to the same lies Marketers are blagging you with and I say it because I dont simply believe everything I am told hook line and sinker.
Words already have clear definitions attached to them, I understand these and ignore the Marketing douche when its telling me what that word means for today.
(Douche is just trying to get your money by lying and it seems to be working)
I drive these type of things plenty and for me they are utterly boring, they have no dynamic feel, no feedback, no interaction and a severe lack excitement.
Worse still, they dont like PLAYING.
Just point, go, slow for corner, point, go, slow for corner. YAWN.
In town I usually walk if Im stuck with one of these things because I get more satisfaction and fulfilment out of it.
Riddle me this.
A set of new premium sports tyres can be easily ruined in 20 miles or less.
How could that be if its a well set up sports car with good balance?
Forgive me for being a bit obvious here, but have you considered not buying one if they offend you so deeply? I do not require a 2 tonne car that resembles a living room and if I did I would purchase a Rolls Royce because it has been done properly, and it is sold as that too.
It is something your ilk wont and cant understand, an honest car.
"Whether it's a car you like or not, you can't claim that any car built by BMW (or any other major manufacturer) and selling for the price this M6 sells for is a "rediculous" [sic] "turd"."
Is this a joke? I am unsure if youre kidding.
If serious.
Why do the barges lose £10-£20 grand minimum the second they leave the forecourts and 5 years later theyre fetching a few grand at best?
Where did all the money go if they are good value and worth every penny?
I do consistently say the same thing about such s
t cars, what a hate filled ba**ard I must be, eh. Heres WHY I say it.
Its my honest response to the same lies Marketers are blagging you with and I say it because I dont simply believe everything I am told hook line and sinker.
Words already have clear definitions attached to them, I understand these and ignore the Marketing douche when its telling me what that word means for today.
(Douche is just trying to get your money by lying and it seems to be working)
I drive these type of things plenty and for me they are utterly boring, they have no dynamic feel, no feedback, no interaction and a severe lack excitement.
Worse still, they dont like PLAYING.
Just point, go, slow for corner, point, go, slow for corner. YAWN.
In town I usually walk if Im stuck with one of these things because I get more satisfaction and fulfilment out of it.
Riddle me this.
A set of new premium sports tyres can be easily ruined in 20 miles or less.
How could that be if its a well set up sports car with good balance?
Just a thought.
Pistonwot said:
Im sure its great for you but as a sports car, Im afraid that to me, yes it is. You cant truely believe its a sports car either? The sportiest thing about it are the golf clubs in the boot and if there are none, well, back to square one we go!
Go and drive a genuine sports car and then reconsider what has been written bearing that in mind.
How these things are classed as sports cars is the biggest indication that all is not well.
Im not having a dig at anyone other than BMW for taking such liberties for profits when they really shouldnt, nor should they be encouraged.
Its outrageous.
It doesn't matter whether it's a 'genuine sports car' or not. If people who test drive it, find it fun and buy it, then it doesn't matter what the BMW marketers say it is. There is nothing 'outrageous' about it.Go and drive a genuine sports car and then reconsider what has been written bearing that in mind.
How these things are classed as sports cars is the biggest indication that all is not well.
Im not having a dig at anyone other than BMW for taking such liberties for profits when they really shouldnt, nor should they be encouraged.
Its outrageous.
People aren't going to by this M6 because of what BMW marketing tells them. The marketing may get them into the dealership, but it's not going to make them buy the car. The decision to purchase is based on what you think of the car when you see it, sit in it, drive it. Your suggestion that manufacturers are conning people out of their money with their marketing is, quite frankly, ludicrous.
And can you explain what 'BMW taking such liberties with profits' means? Car manufacturers in Europe are really struggling - so I'm not going to knock BMW for doing well and making money. If car manufacturers don't make profits then it's pretty obvious that they'll go out of business and there will be fewer interesting cars to choose from.
Car manufacturers aren't charities created to build your fabled 'genuine sports cars'.
some people do buy cars without test driving them or reading reviews of them. Even expensive new ones. Staggering but true.
People who don't live and breathe cars probably don't even realise that you can do a test drive, after all you can't do that with most other things you buy in your life. I objected to how strong the argument about marketing was but I am thinking that they perhaps do have more weight than I thought (with the ignorant, stupid masses anyway, they have no effect whatsoever on me).
People who don't live and breathe cars probably don't even realise that you can do a test drive, after all you can't do that with most other things you buy in your life. I objected to how strong the argument about marketing was but I am thinking that they perhaps do have more weight than I thought (with the ignorant, stupid masses anyway, they have no effect whatsoever on me).
astirling said:
Pistonwot said:
Im sure its great for you but as a sports car, Im afraid that to me, yes it is. You cant truely believe its a sports car either? The sportiest thing about it are the golf clubs in the boot and if there are none, well, back to square one we go!
Go and drive a genuine sports car and then reconsider what has been written bearing that in mind.
How these things are classed as sports cars is the biggest indication that all is not well.
Im not having a dig at anyone other than BMW for taking such liberties for profits when they really shouldnt, nor should they be encouraged.
Its outrageous.
It doesn't matter whether it's a 'genuine sports car' or not. If people who test drive it, find it fun and buy it, then it doesn't matter what the BMW marketers say it is. There is nothing 'outrageous' about it.Go and drive a genuine sports car and then reconsider what has been written bearing that in mind.
How these things are classed as sports cars is the biggest indication that all is not well.
Im not having a dig at anyone other than BMW for taking such liberties for profits when they really shouldnt, nor should they be encouraged.
Its outrageous.
People aren't going to by this M6 because of what BMW marketing tells them. The marketing may get them into the dealership, but it's not going to make them buy the car. The decision to purchase is based on what you think of the car when you see it, sit in it, drive it. Your suggestion that manufacturers are conning people out of their money with their marketing is, quite frankly, ludicrous.
And can you explain what 'BMW taking such liberties with profits' means? Car manufacturers in Europe are really struggling - so I'm not going to knock BMW for doing well and making money. If car manufacturers don't make profits then it's pretty obvious that they'll go out of business and there will be fewer interesting cars to choose from.
Car manufacturers aren't charities created to build your fabled 'genuine sports cars'.
If it being a genuine sports car doesnt matter then why do BMW spend BILLIONS promoting their products as precisely that? They would not spend a single penny if it didnt do something, hmmmm,
what could that something be?
BMW buyers mainly buy the badge regardless of the content and most, if they could afford it, would buy the Merc simply because the Mercedes badge is an upgrade, the content or style of either does not matter 1 bit.
What "BMW taking such liberties for profits" means.
BMW are dishonest, they are abusing a position of trust telling more than half truths in order to trick less knowledgeable car buyers (punters)
I know how I view that type of behaviour.
Comment by Richard Head!
"Car manufacturers aren't charities created to build your fabled 'genuine sports cars".
That is exactly the point isnt it? STOP TRYING TO SELL IT AS THAT THEN.
Now is when you look up what shysters means.
BMW are just that! Have you seen their own website? Theyd have you believe you were buying a DTM thoroughbred when you got any M.
They are too keen to tell anyone who will listen "M is the ultimate driving experience".
Christ, either the new batch of employees have had a very limited choice of fun things to go fast in OR theyre lying through their teeth.
Ill go for option 2
Pistonwot why don't you stop talking st and fk off. You even said the mclaren p1 looked "generic" well what the fk do you drive which is less generic than that, is lightweight, thrilling to drive yet more comfortable and refined than an M6?
Pray,do tell us... Custard test would be good too.
t and fk off. You even said the mclaren p1 looked "generic" well what the fk do you drive which is less generic than that, is lightweight, thrilling to drive yet more comfortable and refined than an M6?Pray,do tell us... Custard test would be good too.
E38Ross said:
Pistonwot why don't you stop talking st and fk off. You even said the mclaren p1 looked "generic" well what the fk do you drive which is less generic than that, is lightweight, thrilling to drive yet more comfortable and refined than an M6?
Pray,do tell us... Custard test would be good too.
Not you again. t and fk off. You even said the mclaren p1 looked "generic" well what the fk do you drive which is less generic than that, is lightweight, thrilling to drive yet more comfortable and refined than an M6?Pray,do tell us... Custard test would be good too.
It was better when you were touching up your sister and wondering why your kids have got weird smiles. At least it kept you away from a keyboard I suppose. Did she kick you out again or is your unknowingly looking in two directions at the same time charm just not doing it for her anymore?
I meant it and it does look generic, but it isnt just me that thinks that is it?
Ill admit its growing on me and it is OK but the F1 on the other hand does not look like anything other than an F1 and that is why it is and always will be GREAT.
Id take GREAT over OK any day.
Id prefer to leave banality and mediocrity to those like you.
Ill bet you cant even figure out what that means.
I suppose its not all your fault, inbreds have known intelligence issues. That will explain why you think the looks are not generic I guess, like a weird kind of inbreeding 'similarity' acceptance or something. That and because your boss eyes are making it hard for you to see clearly.
I dont expect that your kind will ever understand when youre too busy eating from the spoon thats feeding you.
Still having issues with that old chestnut, how sad and bizarrely obsessive BUT I already answered that 2 times, maybe youll 'get it' 3rd time round.
As I told you before, its f
k all to do with you, so get over it!Pistonwot said:
Not you again.
It was better when you were touching up your sister and wondering why your kids have got weird smiles. At least it kept you away from a keyboard I suppose. Did she kick you out again or is your unknowingly looking in two directions at the same time charm just not doing it for her anymore?
I meant it and it does look generic, but it isnt just me that thinks that is it?
Ill admit its growing on me and it is OK but the F1 on the other hand does not look like anything other than an F1 and that is why it is and always will be GREAT.
Id take GREAT over OK any day.
Id prefer to leave banality and mediocrity to those like you.
Ill bet you cant even figure out what that means.
I suppose its not all your fault, inbreds have known intelligence issues. That will explain why you think the looks are not generic I guess, like a weird kind of inbreeding 'similarity' acceptance or something. That and because your boss eyes are making it hard for you to see clearly.
I dont expect that your kind will ever understand when youre too busy eating from the spoon thats feeding you.
Still having issues with that old chestnut, how sad and bizarrely obsessive BUT I already answered that 2 times, maybe youll 'get it' 3rd time round.
As I told you before, its fk all to do with you, so get over it!
Jeez, grow up will you. Personal insults like that are pathetic. I'm beginning to think you don't even drive yet. It was better when you were touching up your sister and wondering why your kids have got weird smiles. At least it kept you away from a keyboard I suppose. Did she kick you out again or is your unknowingly looking in two directions at the same time charm just not doing it for her anymore?
I meant it and it does look generic, but it isnt just me that thinks that is it?
Ill admit its growing on me and it is OK but the F1 on the other hand does not look like anything other than an F1 and that is why it is and always will be GREAT.
Id take GREAT over OK any day.
Id prefer to leave banality and mediocrity to those like you.
Ill bet you cant even figure out what that means.
I suppose its not all your fault, inbreds have known intelligence issues. That will explain why you think the looks are not generic I guess, like a weird kind of inbreeding 'similarity' acceptance or something. That and because your boss eyes are making it hard for you to see clearly.
I dont expect that your kind will ever understand when youre too busy eating from the spoon thats feeding you.
Still having issues with that old chestnut, how sad and bizarrely obsessive BUT I already answered that 2 times, maybe youll 'get it' 3rd time round.
As I told you before, its f
k all to do with you, so get over it!zebedee said:
I'm not sure BMW calling it a sports car, if indeed they are, is generating profits for them. The people choosing to buy them are generating profits. Then again, I know someone who bought a new MX5 and then complained that it wasn't that fast and sold it shortly after, so maybe the marketers do have more power than I give them credit for. She thought she was buying a Porsche rival and didn't even bother to arrange a test drive. Silly.
Mmmmm... Too me this someone you know who bought an MX5 thinking she was getting a Porsche rival was going more on presumption than a marketing driven decision. I've not seen one Mazda marketing campaign claiming the MX5 as 'that' fast or a Porsche rival. What I have seen over the years is the odd reviews which have included the Boxster saying it may not be as fast but it could be as involving and fun. A test drive would've told her all she needed to know. I don't believe in this cars she fell for marketing but off course marketing can be very effective.Pistonwot said:
Such naivety, I remember when I believed in altruism.
If it being a genuine sports car doesnt matter then why do BMW spend BILLIONS promoting their products as precisely that? They would not spend a single penny if it didnt do something, hmmmm,
what could that something be?
BMW buyers mainly buy the badge regardless of the content and most, if they could afford it, would buy the Merc simply because the Mercedes badge is an upgrade, the content or style of either does not matter 1 bit.
What "BMW taking such liberties for profits" means.
BMW are dishonest, they are abusing a position of trust telling more than half truths in order to trick less knowledgeable car buyers (punters)
I know how I view that type of behaviour.
Comment by Richard Head!
"Car manufacturers aren't charities created to build your fabled 'genuine sports cars".
That is exactly the point isnt it? STOP TRYING TO SELL IT AS THAT THEN.
Now is when you look up what shysters means.
BMW are just that! Have you seen their own website? Theyd have you believe you were buying a DTM thoroughbred when you got any M.
They are too keen to tell anyone who will listen "M is the ultimate driving experience".
Christ, either the new batch of employees have had a very limited choice of fun things to go fast in OR theyre lying through their teeth.
Ill go for option 2
Why do you car what cars people buy, at the end of the day they have what they want. When BMW mention sport they aren't saying don't buy that 911 when the M5 will do all it does and more. And M3 driver doesn't believe through marketing that he'd live with even a poorly driven Aerial Atom while charging along behind in his comfy 4 seat coupe. If it being a genuine sports car doesnt matter then why do BMW spend BILLIONS promoting their products as precisely that? They would not spend a single penny if it didnt do something, hmmmm,
what could that something be?
BMW buyers mainly buy the badge regardless of the content and most, if they could afford it, would buy the Merc simply because the Mercedes badge is an upgrade, the content or style of either does not matter 1 bit.
What "BMW taking such liberties for profits" means.
BMW are dishonest, they are abusing a position of trust telling more than half truths in order to trick less knowledgeable car buyers (punters)
I know how I view that type of behaviour.
Comment by Richard Head!
"Car manufacturers aren't charities created to build your fabled 'genuine sports cars".
That is exactly the point isnt it? STOP TRYING TO SELL IT AS THAT THEN.
Now is when you look up what shysters means.
BMW are just that! Have you seen their own website? Theyd have you believe you were buying a DTM thoroughbred when you got any M.
They are too keen to tell anyone who will listen "M is the ultimate driving experience".
Christ, either the new batch of employees have had a very limited choice of fun things to go fast in OR theyre lying through their teeth.
Ill go for option 2
Yes, people fall for marketing, some will fall for a badge... Lots of Mercedes drivers would never bring themselves to drive a BMW but.... To simply say most BMW drivers just buy the badge is pure ignorance which comes across in every ridiculous rant you post. We get that you hate big bad BMW... Hate that they make profit but... you got a job? I'm not interested in what you do but I bet you don't do it for nothing, at least think you are getting what you are worth and wouldn't turn money down if it were offered. You profit from what you do.
No one is putting a gun to the heads of buyers of BMW's or whatever so why get so stoked up?
I notice from your profile you don't share your vehicle of choice with us, some one even asked... So, what is it? I can only imagine it must be something seriously hardcore? So? We're waiting
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