Indicating in general
Discussion
JM - You asked why I give a signal when I know there is no one around. Whilst there are sections of road, where it would be possible to know 100% that there is no one around. such as long straight roads
with no access points on it and with no other road users visible in front, or behind, many roads are just not like that, and a person can only be `certain' that there is no one around for a few seconds at most, before another road user `could' appear.
It may be that some drivers are just so good that they can make a decision as to whether they will signal or not in the split second it can take for another vehicle to appear around them. My contention is that such drivers are in the minority.
As an example of the benefit of giving signals even when there `appears' to be no one else around
I would ask, How many times have you been about to pull out at a junction, when another driver appears at the last second, who is not giving a signal, but who then turns into the road you are coming out of? If both you and the other driver had been giving a signal, (even though when the signal was initiated there `appeared' to be no one else around) both drivers could have safely continued with their negotiation of that junction.
Instead one of the drivers at that junction has their progress unnecessarily baulked, and the other is just a lazy sloppy non signalling driver, who I contend make up the majority of those who don't give signal.
If I see another driver who goes through numerous junctions, without giving signals. I tend mark them down as a brain dead, moronic knob, who either does not comprehend that there are road users on the roads around them, or who more likely doesn't give a flying f**k about anyone but themselves.
with no access points on it and with no other road users visible in front, or behind, many roads are just not like that, and a person can only be `certain' that there is no one around for a few seconds at most, before another road user `could' appear.
It may be that some drivers are just so good that they can make a decision as to whether they will signal or not in the split second it can take for another vehicle to appear around them. My contention is that such drivers are in the minority.
As an example of the benefit of giving signals even when there `appears' to be no one else around
I would ask, How many times have you been about to pull out at a junction, when another driver appears at the last second, who is not giving a signal, but who then turns into the road you are coming out of? If both you and the other driver had been giving a signal, (even though when the signal was initiated there `appeared' to be no one else around) both drivers could have safely continued with their negotiation of that junction.
Instead one of the drivers at that junction has their progress unnecessarily baulked, and the other is just a lazy sloppy non signalling driver, who I contend make up the majority of those who don't give signal.
If I see another driver who goes through numerous junctions, without giving signals. I tend mark them down as a brain dead, moronic knob, who either does not comprehend that there are road users on the roads around them, or who more likely doesn't give a flying f**k about anyone but themselves.
Pan Pan said:
JM - You asked why I give a signal when I know there is no one around.
Yes I did, but you have given a hypothetical situation where you have no need to indicate as a 'justification' for indicating when there is nobody else around. Pan Pan said:
Whilst there are sections of road, where it would be possible to know 100% that there is no one around. such as long straight roads with no access points on it and with no other road users visible in front, or behind, many roads are just not like that, and a person can only be `certain' that there is no one around for a few seconds at most, before another road user `could' appear.
So to make it even easier for you: If you were half way along a mile long straight in clear visibility, with nobody behind following or ahead approaching, or ahead traveling in the same direction as you. There is a junction to the left that has a clear sight line for several hundred yards, and there is nobody on that road. You are turning left at this junction, why would you indicate? JM said:
Pan Pan said:
JM - You asked why I give a signal when I know there is no one around.
Yes I did, but you have given a hypothetical situation where you have no need to indicate as a 'justification' for indicating when there is nobody else around. Pan Pan said:
Whilst there are sections of road, where it would be possible to know 100% that there is no one around. such as long straight roads with no access points on it and with no other road users visible in front, or behind, many roads are just not like that, and a person can only be `certain' that there is no one around for a few seconds at most, before another road user `could' appear.
So to make it even easier for you: If you were half way along a mile long straight in clear visibility, with nobody behind following or ahead approaching, or ahead traveling in the same direction as you. There is a junction to the left that has a clear sight line for several hundred yards, and there is nobody on that road. You are turning left at this junction, why would you indicate? Would you not indicate when you pull away from the kerbside, just because you cannot see* anyone coming down the road?
- Oops, BAM!! - there was someone in your blindspot who didnt slow down or cover his brake with his foot, because he had no idea you wanted to pull out.
Pan Pan said:
As an example of the benefit of giving signals even when there `appears' to be no one else around
I would ask, How many times have you been about to pull out at a junction, when another driver appears at the last second, who is not giving a signal, but who then turns into the road you are coming out of? If both you and the other driver had been giving a signal, (even though when the signal was initiated there `appeared' to be no one else around) both drivers could have safely continued with their negotiation of that junction.
But that isn't an example of a case where there 'appeared to be no one else around', it's a case where it wasn't possible to tell whether or not anyone else was around. Totally different situation.I would ask, How many times have you been about to pull out at a junction, when another driver appears at the last second, who is not giving a signal, but who then turns into the road you are coming out of? If both you and the other driver had been giving a signal, (even though when the signal was initiated there `appeared' to be no one else around) both drivers could have safely continued with their negotiation of that junction.
JM The answer is yes I would indicate, just before turning into that junction, because there are always, always situations where you, and the driver of the other vehicle who wants to come out of that junction will not see each other until they have `just' reached the junction.
If the other driver sees you coming down the road without giving a signal (because a few seconds ago it `appeared' there was no one else around) he `has' to assume you will be going straight on, and not turning at the junction he is trying to emerge from. When you make that turn he will (rightly in my view) be pissed off, because you did not give any, or an early enough indication that you were going to turn in there. The correct action would be to give a signal just before making the turn (assuming there is no one behind you) or (if there is time, and this is not always the case) when each driver first becomes aware of the other.
If the other driver sees you give a signal, along with slowing and positioning your vehicle to make the turn, he can be reasonably sure you will be turning in, and can move out himself. If you don't give a signal ( even if you do slow and position for the turn) the other driver cannot be sure you are turning in. The only downside of this, is that if you as the driver was already signalling, before you saw each other, the other driver would not be able to tell if you were signalling, or had just left your indicator on, from a previous use, and would still have to wait signal or not. But drivers who do this, are not driving with due care and attention, and will always be a problem for other drivers, but this is not what is being talked about here.
If the other driver sees you coming down the road without giving a signal (because a few seconds ago it `appeared' there was no one else around) he `has' to assume you will be going straight on, and not turning at the junction he is trying to emerge from. When you make that turn he will (rightly in my view) be pissed off, because you did not give any, or an early enough indication that you were going to turn in there. The correct action would be to give a signal just before making the turn (assuming there is no one behind you) or (if there is time, and this is not always the case) when each driver first becomes aware of the other.
If the other driver sees you give a signal, along with slowing and positioning your vehicle to make the turn, he can be reasonably sure you will be turning in, and can move out himself. If you don't give a signal ( even if you do slow and position for the turn) the other driver cannot be sure you are turning in. The only downside of this, is that if you as the driver was already signalling, before you saw each other, the other driver would not be able to tell if you were signalling, or had just left your indicator on, from a previous use, and would still have to wait signal or not. But drivers who do this, are not driving with due care and attention, and will always be a problem for other drivers, but this is not what is being talked about here.
Pan Pan said:
JM The answer is yes I would indicate, just before turning into that junction, because there are always, always situations where you, and the driver of the other vehicle who wants to come out of that junction will not see each other until they have `just' reached the junction.
If the other driver sees you coming down the road without giving a signal (because a few seconds ago it `appeared' there was no one else around) he `has' to assume you will be going straight on, and not turning at the junction he is trying to emerge from. When you make that turn he will (rightly in my view) be pissed off, because you did not give any, or an early enough indication that you were going to turn in there. The correct action would be to give a signal just before making the turn (assuming there is no one behind you) or (if there is time, and this is not always the case) when each driver first becomes aware of the other.
If the other driver sees you give a signal, along with slowing and positioning your vehicle to make the turn, he can be reasonably sure you will be turning in, and can move out himself. If you don't give a signal ( even if you do slow and position for the turn) the other driver cannot be sure you are turning in. The only downside of this, is that if you as the driver was already signalling, before you saw each other, the other driver would not be able to tell if you were signalling, or had just left your indicator on, from a previous use, and would still have to wait signal or not. But drivers who do this, are not driving with due care and attention, and will always be a problem for other drivers, but this is not what is being talked about here.
Observation doesn't appear to be your strong point, as there is no other driver or vehicle, or pedestrian, so I think I'll leave you to your ramblings. If the other driver sees you coming down the road without giving a signal (because a few seconds ago it `appeared' there was no one else around) he `has' to assume you will be going straight on, and not turning at the junction he is trying to emerge from. When you make that turn he will (rightly in my view) be pissed off, because you did not give any, or an early enough indication that you were going to turn in there. The correct action would be to give a signal just before making the turn (assuming there is no one behind you) or (if there is time, and this is not always the case) when each driver first becomes aware of the other.
If the other driver sees you give a signal, along with slowing and positioning your vehicle to make the turn, he can be reasonably sure you will be turning in, and can move out himself. If you don't give a signal ( even if you do slow and position for the turn) the other driver cannot be sure you are turning in. The only downside of this, is that if you as the driver was already signalling, before you saw each other, the other driver would not be able to tell if you were signalling, or had just left your indicator on, from a previous use, and would still have to wait signal or not. But drivers who do this, are not driving with due care and attention, and will always be a problem for other drivers, but this is not what is being talked about here.
Whats the sign to tell people 'indicate you lazy penis'
If some one pulls back in front of me on the motorway, is it just a flash or flash and a left, right just so they know its about indicators?
But then I don't want to confuse other people thinking Im going to change lanes as that would be far to ironic, but I want the penis to know it was about his/her indication or lack thereof.
If some one pulls back in front of me on the motorway, is it just a flash or flash and a left, right just so they know its about indicators?
But then I don't want to confuse other people thinking Im going to change lanes as that would be far to ironic, but I want the penis to know it was about his/her indication or lack thereof.
Fantuzzi said:
Whats the sign to tell people 'indicate you lazy penis'
If some one pulls back in front of me on the motorway, is it just a flash or flash and a left, right just so they know its about indicators?
But then I don't want to confuse other people thinking Im going to change lanes as that would be far to ironic, but I want the penis to know it was about his/her indication or lack thereof.
If their move meant you had to slow down then it's the manoeuvre that's the problem, not the lack of indication.If some one pulls back in front of me on the motorway, is it just a flash or flash and a left, right just so they know its about indicators?
But then I don't want to confuse other people thinking Im going to change lanes as that would be far to ironic, but I want the penis to know it was about his/her indication or lack thereof.
Last night someone pulled out of a slip road about 20 feet in front of me. The fact that his indicator was flashing didn't make it any safer.
finnracer said:
As somebody who is currently learning to drive this really annoys me, so many times I've had to wait unnecessarily at roundabouts because some silly t
t doesn't indicate until they are on the roundabout or, a lot of the time not at all!
That would be the folk that can read your mind, normally called Julian or tit not sure which.t doesn't indicate until they are on the roundabout or, a lot of the time not at all!But as you are learning to drive how dare you not have inbuilt radar / mind reading skills get the fook off the road
finnracer said:
As somebody who is currently learning to drive this really annoys me, so many times I've had to wait unnecessarily at roundabouts because some silly tt doesn't indicate until they are on the roundabout or, a lot of the time not at all!
Remember you DO NOT indicate if you are going straight over until you pass the exit on your left (4 exit roundabout), is this what you are referring to?t doesn't indicate until they are on the roundabout or, a lot of the time not at all!Just wondering.
Generally speaking, rounabout procedure is crap by an awful lot of drivers, it's the "I know where I am going so why do I need to indicate" brigade.
I was going to leave it where it was too, but since this thread (which is not nearly as long as some others, which might also be regarded as irksome) has been `bumped' I would just ask a question.
Do Pistonhead readers believe that in the main.....
1. `Most' other drivers on the road are highly intelligent individuals, with an inbuilt `radar' that lets them know about the presence of all other road users around them, (even those they cannot yet see as a result of road layouts, and other visual obstructions) and who can also get into the minds of other road users and from this, know which way they are going to go. Drivers who are so super intelligent, they are 100% certain that there are no other road users around them for 100% of the time, and that they can carry out this 100% scan, every time they make a change of lane /direction and from this decide whether or not they will give a signal in a fraction of a second.
Or
2. `Most' other drivers have average driving skills, and powers of observation, (with none or little of the above mentioned super powers) and are not generally able to get into the heads of other road users around them, to learn which way they are going to go, without them using indicators.
Depending on which of the above comes closest to the truth, I wonder what most would deem to be the most reliable way for road users, to let other road users know which way they are going to go
signals, or super powers?
Do Pistonhead readers believe that in the main.....
1. `Most' other drivers on the road are highly intelligent individuals, with an inbuilt `radar' that lets them know about the presence of all other road users around them, (even those they cannot yet see as a result of road layouts, and other visual obstructions) and who can also get into the minds of other road users and from this, know which way they are going to go. Drivers who are so super intelligent, they are 100% certain that there are no other road users around them for 100% of the time, and that they can carry out this 100% scan, every time they make a change of lane /direction and from this decide whether or not they will give a signal in a fraction of a second.
Or
2. `Most' other drivers have average driving skills, and powers of observation, (with none or little of the above mentioned super powers) and are not generally able to get into the heads of other road users around them, to learn which way they are going to go, without them using indicators.
Depending on which of the above comes closest to the truth, I wonder what most would deem to be the most reliable way for road users, to let other road users know which way they are going to go
signals, or super powers?
Vipers said:
finnracer said:
As somebody who is currently learning to drive this really annoys me, so many times I've had to wait unnecessarily at roundabouts because some silly tt doesn't indicate until they are on the roundabout or, a lot of the time not at all!
Remember you DO NOT indicate if you are going straight over until you pass the exit on your left (4 exit roundabout), is this what you are referring to?t doesn't indicate until they are on the roundabout or, a lot of the time not at all!Just wondering.
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