RE: Lotus Evora 400: Time For Tea?
Discussion
True story from my Le Mans trip this year.
We had a convoy of 3 cars, my Evora, a Ferrari 360 and a very nice 993 c2s. At the hotel in Cognac we parked the cars in a row outside the front door. There was a large group of Japanese staying (we think they were negotiating to buy the hotel and associated vineyards), in the morning they went outside and took it in turns to pose with the cars.
First they all posed by the Ferrari
Second, they all posed by the Evora
Then they all went inside. The owner of the Porsche was pretty miffed.............
In the square outside the Hotel du France on Saturday they were only letting "special" cars in, the Ferrari and the Lotus were allowed in the Porsche wasn't.
Ultimately, I think the Evora looks more exotic to most people (especially non petrolheads) than a Porsche. (note I am not anti Porsche at all)
We had a convoy of 3 cars, my Evora, a Ferrari 360 and a very nice 993 c2s. At the hotel in Cognac we parked the cars in a row outside the front door. There was a large group of Japanese staying (we think they were negotiating to buy the hotel and associated vineyards), in the morning they went outside and took it in turns to pose with the cars.
First they all posed by the Ferrari
Second, they all posed by the Evora
Then they all went inside. The owner of the Porsche was pretty miffed.............
In the square outside the Hotel du France on Saturday they were only letting "special" cars in, the Ferrari and the Lotus were allowed in the Porsche wasn't.
Ultimately, I think the Evora looks more exotic to most people (especially non petrolheads) than a Porsche. (note I am not anti Porsche at all)
Shnozz said:
stuno1 said:
shoestring7 said:
I'm a long legged 6'2". I wish Lotus well with the new generation Evoras, but after spending 10 minutes trying and failing to get comfortable in a 400 I'll have stick to the Germans until Lotus can get the seat a couple of inches closer to the floor.
SS7
You must be very 'leggy'. I am 6 foot 1 and can get in and out without much issue in a my2012. It was designed for people up to 6 foot 4. SS7
yonex said:
£39, I never knew it existed. It's actually a little bit annoying and I may well visit after xmas. They are a fantastic bunch of engineers, are they still involved with tuning chassis's for other manufacturers?
It's brilliant making these cars but it's no use making the 'best' if it isn't properly marketed to a wider audience.
It's brilliant making these cars but it's no use making the 'best' if it isn't properly marketed to a wider audience.
Good to see your going on a Factory tour don't forget to call and see if they can get you out on track and also don't forget these boys are just the other side of the factory http://www.classicteamlotus.co.uk/en/home/ its a top day out if you can get all three in
I saw an Evora up close for the first time on Saturday and i was impressed.
However.
The dimensions make it closer in size to a Cayman from what I can see and although it has the two rear seats they are tiny.
With the Cayman starting at £40,000 and even the GTS being close to £55,000 the Lotus starts to look quite pricey but I may be missing something?
However.
The dimensions make it closer in size to a Cayman from what I can see and although it has the two rear seats they are tiny.
With the Cayman starting at £40,000 and even the GTS being close to £55,000 the Lotus starts to look quite pricey but I may be missing something?
Thankyou4calling said:
I saw an Evora up close for the first time on Saturday and i was impressed.
However.
The dimensions make it closer in size to a Cayman from what I can see and although it has the two rear seats they are tiny.
With the Cayman starting at £40,000 and even the GTS being close to £55,000 the Lotus starts to look quite pricey but I may be missing something?
Brand, image. One of them's got something in its DNA that you cant buyHowever.
The dimensions make it closer in size to a Cayman from what I can see and although it has the two rear seats they are tiny.
With the Cayman starting at £40,000 and even the GTS being close to £55,000 the Lotus starts to look quite pricey but I may be missing something?
If you're looking at Cayman and GTS arent those Elise/Exige territory
Edited by saaby93 on Monday 16th November 18:45
The seats may look small but they're actually not too bad. I (at 5"9) can fit albeit quite slouched. More importantly for me, two full size child seats fit in the rear.
I would be surprised if it was more Cayman than 911 sized. I parked my 400 next to a Mazda 6 the other day and there wasn't much difference in length.
I would be surprised if it was more Cayman than 911 sized. I parked my 400 next to a Mazda 6 the other day and there wasn't much difference in length.
Porshe are very clever with their pricing you try and by one for the advertised headline price, you can easily ten or twenty thousand...
I have to laugh when people describe cars as expensive. The only thing to consider is depreciation and running costs, although runnine costs are never going to be cheap for performance cars. Aside from the new car depreciation, which applies to 99.9% of all cars, Lotus products tend to fair very well, so whence they are relatively cheap.
I have to laugh when people describe cars as expensive. The only thing to consider is depreciation and running costs, although runnine costs are never going to be cheap for performance cars. Aside from the new car depreciation, which applies to 99.9% of all cars, Lotus products tend to fair very well, so whence they are relatively cheap.
Thankyou4calling said:
I saw an Evora up close for the first time on Saturday and i was impressed.
However.
The dimensions make it closer in size to a Cayman from what I can see and although it has the two rear seats they are tiny.
With the Cayman starting at £40,000 and even the GTS being close to £55,000 the Lotus starts to look quite pricey but I may be missing something?
Evora width - 1848 mmHowever.
The dimensions make it closer in size to a Cayman from what I can see and although it has the two rear seats they are tiny.
With the Cayman starting at £40,000 and even the GTS being close to £55,000 the Lotus starts to look quite pricey but I may be missing something?
Evora length - 4350 mm
997 width - 1852 mm
997 length - 4435 mm
Cayman gts width - 1801 mm
Cayman gts length - 4404 mm
gm77 said:
The seats may look small but they're actually not too bad. I (at 5"9) can fit albeit quite slouched. More importantly for me, two full size child seats fit in the rear.
I would be surprised if it was more Cayman than 911 sized. I parked my 400 next to a Mazda 6 the other day and there wasn't much difference in length.
I thought it looked quite big in the flesh but a very quick google brings it up smaller in length than a Cayma. Could be wrong though.I would be surprised if it was more Cayman than 911 sized. I parked my 400 next to a Mazda 6 the other day and there wasn't much difference in length.
CTE said:
Porshe are very clever with their pricing you try and by one for the advertised headline price, you can easily ten or twenty thousand...
Why do people make up this stuff? It's simply not true. Where they are clever with their MARKETING is getting aspirational buyers to part with an extra £10-£20k on extras which they desire but don't really need.
Thankyou4calling said:
The baby Porsche for the poor man.....
You forgot to mention the wives and hairdressers. 
Mind you, if the baby Porsche is for the poor man one can only wonder who's spending the thick end of £30,000 on that 1.6 Elise. Especially when they can pick up the new MX5 (with it's roots firmly in the original Lotus Elan) for £18,500?
I find all the obsessing about options pricing so moronic that I can't even credit it as serious comment from anyone who can think.
You ALWAYS pay for the bloody equipment on the car, whether or not it comes included in the basic car and price. The only difference is that where a manufacturer offers a basic car with little equipment, you get to choose which stuff you want and reject (and do not pay for) the rest, whereas you otherwise get stuck with bumf you don't want (and pay for it) if the manufacturer just adds the stuff to every car. Bloody lane assist? f
k off! Auto dipping headlights? fk off! Auto wipers? Seriously? Ceramic brakes? fk off! Auto fold-in mirrors? Why? All just pointless gadgets that will impress a teenager but break in 12 months.
I like that Porsche will sell you a dirt cheap Boxster or Cayman with naff all fripperies if you want that. If you want to have the car wipe your bum and do your make-up, pile on the options; but don't expect me to subsidise all that bumf by paying for it when I don't want it.
As a caveat to the above, it is genuine piss-taking when obviously essential items are left off the basic car (e.g. I think BMW floor mats are an option; and very expensive Porsche SUVs don't come with a satnav as standard). That's silly. And there's no excuse because everyone will option that stuff, making the basic price misleading.
You ALWAYS pay for the bloody equipment on the car, whether or not it comes included in the basic car and price. The only difference is that where a manufacturer offers a basic car with little equipment, you get to choose which stuff you want and reject (and do not pay for) the rest, whereas you otherwise get stuck with bumf you don't want (and pay for it) if the manufacturer just adds the stuff to every car. Bloody lane assist? f
k off! Auto dipping headlights? fk off! Auto wipers? Seriously? Ceramic brakes? fk off! Auto fold-in mirrors? Why? All just pointless gadgets that will impress a teenager but break in 12 months. I like that Porsche will sell you a dirt cheap Boxster or Cayman with naff all fripperies if you want that. If you want to have the car wipe your bum and do your make-up, pile on the options; but don't expect me to subsidise all that bumf by paying for it when I don't want it.
As a caveat to the above, it is genuine piss-taking when obviously essential items are left off the basic car (e.g. I think BMW floor mats are an option; and very expensive Porsche SUVs don't come with a satnav as standard). That's silly. And there's no excuse because everyone will option that stuff, making the basic price misleading.
I'd love a lotus. A cash wind fall would see me in a lotus before a Porsche. Don't know what it is about them but I have wanted one since I was a kid.
I don't think it is a bad move at all for Lotus to stick with the Evora, learn the lessons it has to teach them and develop something new when they are sure they are ready to put out a better car and not just a new one. As a brand they are pretty invisible and that is something they really need to work on.
I don't think it is a bad move at all for Lotus to stick with the Evora, learn the lessons it has to teach them and develop something new when they are sure they are ready to put out a better car and not just a new one. As a brand they are pretty invisible and that is something they really need to work on.
saaby93 said:
ORD said:
You're comparing applies with bananas. The 991 is quite a lot bigger.
Whats the advantage of bigger?I was put off the Evora by a review that said the back seats were even more pointless than those in the 911. I don't think it's unusual to actually want a 2+2 if you have very small children, and I remember thinking 'The back seats in the 911 are silly enough. I couldn't go smaller than that'. Maybe I was wrong in retrospect, as I bet there's not much (if anything) in it.
The 991 is, to me, too big. Once a car stops feeling small, and it doesn't feel small to me, you may as well go for a car with proper back seats.
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