In the news - Jaguar Land Rover Manager - Road Rage Crash

[Frik]

She is utterly blameless. I doubt it's much consolation to her though. Just another victim of this man's actions.

[k-ink]

Wow, so being on the receiving end of a hand gesture means anything goes?! That you can then drive like a mental case and ignore safety, so long as you get some kind of twisted revenge?! Just wow.

This thread goes to show there are a fair few muppets out there who should never have a driving license to start with. Some people are just mentally ill equipped to be give the responsibility. Let alone allowed to carry on after being caught.

We live in a mad world.

[nffcforever]

Before anyone gets offended, I'm not suggesting or claiming these are evidence of anything, nor I am picking on 4x4s, SUVs, BMWs or anything else; but I think they are interesting in the context of the discussion and the opinions voiced. Anything in these links which you take as criticism of you or your car is not directed at you personally.

I'll also reiterate my utter sympathy for the affected families (including the offender's family). By discussing other aspects such as this I'm not diminishing the impact of this or disrespecting anyone or anything. So please don't get your knickers twisted and if you do, go and have a beer in the sun!

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/10/ag...

http://www.bankrate.com/financing/cars/study-bmw-d...

http://www.drdriving.org/surveys/interpretations.h...

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/56524/suv-drivers...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread313152/p...

Edited by nffcforever on Friday 27th May 14:09

[ralphrj]

Pat H said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

It's entirely possible the bloke is absolutely shattered.

But not sufficiently shattered to enter a guilty plea.

A conviction after trial (in the face of seemingly overwhelming evidence) tells me all I need to know about the amount of remorse which this individual feels.

He did plead guilty to the charges of causing serious injury by dangerous driving. I think the court case was about the aggravating circumstances.

[SWoll]

RWD cossie wil said:

SWoll said:

RWD cossie wil said:

SWoll said:

J4CKO said:

No, a car crash and masturbation are not the same, you make a very valid point here, but completely miss the actual point of what I was saying, whilst managing to sound a bit sanctimonious in the process.

The point was, we all drive cars, things can go wrong, this bloke isnt some other species, he is the same as us, we do stuff on the roads like going too quickly and things can go wrong, not necessarily road rage, or knocking one out for that matter, but we can do things that result in the same outcome and we need to think about that when we drive.

But I am guessing you have never exceeded the speed limit, made a dodgy overtake, misjudged a corner etc etc ? but I would definitely check that your webcam is disconnected...

You're making less and less sense.

So one minute it's like being caught having a w**k on webcam, and now it's equivalent to doing 75 on a motorway or entering a corner a little too fast?

Have you actually read the story or seen the footage?

I think you are being deliberately obtuse to be honest, it's an easy point to get.

Can you put your hand on your heart & say that you have never had a driving moment that was stupid/angry/inattentive/ any other action that left you exposed to a really bad outcome? I would suggest you are lying if you can say in all your years of driving that you have not, either to us or yourself.

The point is that 999 times out of 1000 people get away with it, unfortunately for the family caught up in this guys moment of madness, it was not his lucky day & his bad driving got severely punished..

I can put my hand on my heart and state that at no point in 25 years of driving have I ever chased another car through traffic before undertaking another car and dangerously swerving across oncoming traffic due to a bruised ego or temper tantrum yes.

Of course I've driven over the speed limit, lost concentration for a moment or driven a little outside of my talents at times, as I'm sure have 99% of drivers, but none of those things are in any way comparable to this guys actions and if you think they are I'd suggest it's your attitude that's the problem, not mine.

So, that one time you were speeding & driving "a bit outside" your talents, results in exactly the same accident & injuries.... What's the difference?

Because it would be due to a split second misjudgement on my behalf rather than a prolonged and incredibly dangerous set of actions set into motion by a foul temper and bruised ego? And as I have enough sense not to speed or push my limits at times where it is clearly unsafe to do so due to a normal level of self control it's highly unlikely it ever will.

Make sense now?

OpulentBob said:

Guys, I think you're both arguing the same point?? Neither of you is saying something the other disagrees with...

And donlt try and derail the argment you. It's a quiet Friday afternoon and I'm bored.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 27th May 14:12

[lostkiwi]

nffcforever said:

Before anyone gets offended, I'm not suggesting or claiming these are evidence of anything, nor I am picking on 4x4, SUVs, BMWs or anything else; but I think they are interesting in the context of the discussion and the opinions voiced. Anything in this links which you take a criticism of you or your car is not directed at you personally.

I'll also reiterate my utter sympathy for the affected families (including the offender's family). By discussing other aspects such as this I'm not diminishing the impact of this or disrespecting anyone or anything. So please don't get your knickers twisted and if you do, go and have a beer in the sun!

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/10/ag...

http://www.bankrate.com/financing/cars/study-bmw-d...

http://www.drdriving.org/surveys/interpretations.h...

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/56524/suv-drivers...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread313152/p...

Keep digging. Soon you'll strike gold!

[SWoll]

ralphrj said:

Pat H said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

It's entirely possible the bloke is absolutely shattered.

But not sufficiently shattered to enter a guilty plea.

A conviction after trial (in the face of seemingly overwhelming evidence) tells me all I need to know about the amount of remorse which this individual feels.

He did plead guilty to the charges of causing serious injury by dangerous driving. I think the court case was about the aggravating circumstances.

So he pled guilty to the charges they had irrefutable evidence for but not to anything else.

How noble of him.

[Swanny87]

Andyjc86 said:

What the hell was he thinking? Undertaking on a single lane carriageway, I'm surprised he didn't wipe out the merc at the same time.

Is it possible for him to be banned for life?

This is what is confusing for me about justice in situations like this. I get, to a certain extent, that you can only put so many people in a prison and he'll be out in a week. What I don't get is why we can't have life driving bans. There is no cost to the state, one less person on the road and the only people it affects is the person getting banned and his family.

I guess the only consolation is that he will be priced out of motoring by his future insurance premiums...

[nffcforever]

lostkiwi said:

Keep digging. Soon you'll strike gold!

It's all on the surface so far.

[wack]

Swanny87 said:

This is what is confusing for me about justice in situations like this. I get, to a certain extent, that you can only put so many people in a prison and he'll be out in a week. What I don't get is why we can't have life driving bans. There is no cost to the state, one less person on the road and the only people it affects is the person getting banned and his family.

I guess the only consolation is that he will be priced out of motoring by his future insurance premiums...

They don't hand out lifetime bans because they're impossible to police so it'd just mean more unlicensed uninsured drivers on the road when they just start driving again in somebody else's car

If the car is ANPR legal they're very unlikely to be stopped

[nffcforever]

lostkiwi said:

Keep digging. Soon you'll strike gold!

It's all on the surface so far.

[anonymous-user]

Slightly O/T but I'm quite surprised that dashcam survived so well and carried on recording when face-down on the road.

[k-ink]

The research links are not a shock to anyone who has decades of driving experience. No, not everyone is the same. There are always plenty of exceptions to any rule. Yet it is still possible to notice stereotypes: the sort of people who cut in front, agressively undertake, never pull in, tail gate etc. In very broad brush strokes it is why certain vehicle drivers don't enjoy a wonderful motoring image, rightly or wrongly. These include all sorts, but the typical candidates would include white van drivers, German cars, 4x4s. Perhaps these sort of vehicles tend to be used by those in a rush more frequently. Who knows.

ps

Can you imagine some of the researchers looking for backing at a meeting? "I have an idea that BMW drivers are tossers. Can we research this more thoroughly?"

[Swanny87]

wack said:

Swanny87 said:

This is what is confusing for me about justice in situations like this. I get, to a certain extent, that you can only put so many people in a prison and he'll be out in a week. What I don't get is why we can't have life driving bans. There is no cost to the state, one less person on the road and the only people it affects is the person getting banned and his family.

I guess the only consolation is that he will be priced out of motoring by his future insurance premiums...

They don't hand out lifetime bans because they're impossible to police so it'd just mean more unlicensed uninsured drivers on the road when they just start driving again in somebody else's car

If the car is ANPR legal they're very unlikely to be stopped

Good point, didn't even consider that! It would all start to get a bit 1984 if you policed that...

Edited by Swanny87 on Friday 27th May 14:36

[Pat H]

One depressing aspect of this case is that the offender isn't a young lad.

He is a middle aged bloke who ought to have been able to control his temper. That he was a driving instructor (of sorts) makes the whole thing even more astonishing.

I encounter lots of criminals as a result of my line of work. Many of them are complete nutters. The thought that plenty of them are also motorists is terrifying.

These days, I tend to assume that all other motorists are either out to kill me, are off their tits on coke or are uninsured, regardless of whether they are driving a Discovery bedecked with fairy lights or a battered Picasso with no wheel trims.

What a really sad case.

[vz-r_dave]

I am keen to understand how the parents are still walking yet the children are paralysed? Can anyway explain how that could happen? Head on collision so you would think anyone in the back seat would be better off? What car were they in and did it fail big time on the impact to cause only the passengers to get seriously injured?

[saaby93]

Swanny87 said:

Good point, didn't even consider that! It would all start to get a bit 1984 if you policed that...

not far off
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershi...
It is 2016 last time I looked so we've held out so far

[petrolsniffer]

untakenname said:

She instigated this whole sorry chain of events, if she didn't give him the finger then he wouldn't have got irate and none of this would have happened.
She will have to live with a lifetime of guilt for what she did,IMO she should be publically named as well.

Erm are we watching the same video?

I've made plenty of mistakes in my time driving been given the finger or flashed for overtaking on a clear road.

Do I react to it like this prick did? no I just carry on with my day.

[lostkiwi]

vz-r_dave said:

I am keen to understand how the parents are still walking yet the children are paralysed? Can anyway explain how that could happen? Head on collision so you would think anyone in the back seat would be better off? What car were they in and did it fail big time on the impact to cause only the passengers to get seriously injured?

It was a Vauxhall Signum.
Parents will have had the benefits of airbags which the children won't have. The fit of the children in the seats and belts may have been a factor (most seats and belts are designed for adults). Adults are also possibly better at handling the G forces involved as they are stronger.

[k-ink]

Pat H said:

These days, I tend to assume that all other motorists are either out to kill me, are off their tits on coke or are uninsured, regardless of whether they are driving a Discovery bedecked with fairy lights or a battered Picasso with no wheel trims.

It makes me want to hide away in an LS Lexus tank. Although I'm not even sure that would be safe when coming up against a 2.5 ton 4x4 driven by a maniac