BMW have gone too far
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yonex said:
I test drove an E300 diesel, might have been 350, anyway, pulling away from standstill was very weak. Big delay in the engine and gearbox waking up as you say. Compared to the 530d it felt quite broken TBH. Its great for cruising but I couldn't put up with it as daily transport...with or without AMG stickers 
Have you ever driven an MG ZT diesel? A whopping 114bhp. Mine was near 160bhp remapped and the pulling away in 1st and 2nd was terrible. Hit a sweet spot in 3rd you could really feel the turbo kick in but it really was beyond slow pulling away. Big heavy car.yonex said:
Do people actually talk about their car in this context? If someone asks what I drive I tell them a 3 series. I just don't get the whole kudos thing. Even more when you are talking to people who view cars in the respect of 'getting from a to b'.
A colleague at work has just got a new 320d M-Sport. His exact words to me were:"Check out my new car. It's an M"
ghibbett said:
It sounds like we're both very much in the same boat (although I only have to live with my car for another 7 weeks or so - horray!). Good to hear I'm not the only one who finds the gearbox completely rubbish or, dare I say it, dangerous. There's nothing like real-world experience to understand these things. 
I wish you luck choosing your next vehicle (nice selection you have there too!
). I am heading back to petrol and something with both decent power and a decent gearbox. Hallelujah!
7 Weeks, lucky you! I wish you luck choosing your next vehicle (nice selection you have there too!
). I am heading back to petrol and something with both decent power and a decent gearbox. Hallelujah! But yes, it's dangerous, sometimes when you try to make a brisk exit out of a junction you find that the car is just rolling across the road whilst the gearbox changes gear 3 times deciding what it wants to do, the amount of times I've pulled out and put my foot down to find the car is in 3rd and doesn't have any power so it then decides to go from 3rd to 2nd to 1st, realizes the revs are too high for 1st, goes to 2nd at which point the ample gap is not looking so ample as the car then has actually slowed down from all the gear changes and wheezes off in 2nd.
I have never actually owned a V8, so I feel then is the time, it may not work out and I'll go semi sensible (335i/d esque), but I will sure as hell be in a better place than I am now
ghibbett said:
It sounds like we're both very much in the same boat (although I only have to live with my car for another 7 weeks or so - horray!). Good to hear I'm not the only one who finds the gearbox completely rubbish or, dare I say it, dangerous. There's nothing like real-world experience to understand these things.
I wish you luck choosing your next vehicle (nice selection you have there too! ). I am heading back to petrol and something with both decent power and a decent gearbox. Hallelujah!
Must admit having read the explanation on why the E300 is so dangerous for overtaking, I retract the comment about "If I can do it in the 1 Series". Thankfully, my torque multiplier is manual, so I have no such issues I wish you luck choosing your next vehicle (nice selection you have there too!
). I am heading back to petrol and something with both decent power and a decent gearbox. Hallelujah! bodhi said:
ghibbett said:
It sounds like we're both very much in the same boat (although I only have to live with my car for another 7 weeks or so - horray!). Good to hear I'm not the only one who finds the gearbox completely rubbish or, dare I say it, dangerous. There's nothing like real-world experience to understand these things.
I wish you luck choosing your next vehicle (nice selection you have there too! ). I am heading back to petrol and something with both decent power and a decent gearbox. Hallelujah!
Must admit having read the explanation on why the E300 is so dangerous for overtaking, I retract the comment about "If I can do it in the 1 Series". Thankfully, my torque multiplier is manual, so I have no such issues I wish you luck choosing your next vehicle (nice selection you have there too!
). I am heading back to petrol and something with both decent power and a decent gearbox. Hallelujah! RobM77 said:
As I said earlier, people who care about image, like the OP, will get all het up over badges and styling etc and assume other people think like them and the whole car buying game is a peacock's folly. People into cars for how they drive and how they're engineered will focus on that instead. PH is moving alarmingly towards the former, but each to their own! However, it helps to not confuse the two though and assume everyone buys cars for the same reasons that you do.
There are certainly a lot of people who are very concerned with how much they earn, how well they are doing and letting others know all about it.Edited by RobM77 on Thursday 7th July 10:53
You see this coming out in many threads, most notably any time car finance is brought up.
But then you can see where people are comming from. If a large part of the reason for buying a car for you is as a status symbol then it must be very distressing if "normal" people are able to buy the same car on finance and then on top of that anyone can make their small/diesel engined version look superficially similar to your expensive flashier model. I mean how exactly is a person supposed to let everyone else know that he is "considerably richer than them"? It is simply intolerable. The plebs should be driving Fords and it should be illegal to make your 316d look anything like and M3...
Devil2575 said:
There are certainly a lot of people who are very concerned with how much they earn, how well they are doing and letting others know all about it.
You see this coming out in many threads, most notably any time car finance is brought up.
But then you can see where people are comming from. If a large part of the reason for buying a car for you is as a status symbol then it must be very distressing if "normal" people are able to buy the same car on finance and then on top of that anyone can make their small/diesel engined version look superficially similar to your expensive flashier model. I mean how exactly is a person supposed to let everyone else know that he is "considerably richer than them"? It is simply intolerable. The plebs should be driving Fords and it should be illegal to make your 316d look anything like and M3...
Problem is, is that people with money know that new cars scream poor people trying to look well off. Thus if these poor folks actually want to look rich they should instead be driving an older car. You see this coming out in many threads, most notably any time car finance is brought up.
But then you can see where people are comming from. If a large part of the reason for buying a car for you is as a status symbol then it must be very distressing if "normal" people are able to buy the same car on finance and then on top of that anyone can make their small/diesel engined version look superficially similar to your expensive flashier model. I mean how exactly is a person supposed to let everyone else know that he is "considerably richer than them"? It is simply intolerable. The plebs should be driving Fords and it should be illegal to make your 316d look anything like and M3...
Nearly everything under 4 years old is on finance.
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Audemars said:
Problem is, is that people with money know that new cars scream poor people trying to look well off. Thus if these poor folks actually want to look rich they should instead be driving an older car.
Nearly everything under 4 years old is on finance.
Rough translation:Nearly everything under 4 years old is on finance.
"No really, despite appearances I am better off than those people over there"
Three points
Who cares if people buy cars with finance
Who cares what "People with money" think
You have no idea how cars under 4 years old are being paid for.
Anyone who looks at someine and judges them based on how much money they think they have is a t
t.
mahoone said:
Mr2Mike said:
I thought all the Fords with an ST model designation were higher performance variants? Is this not the case?
I've seen one on auto trader. Looks like a Zetec S so what's the point of 'st line' 
http://www.ford.co.uk/ConfigureyourCar/Fiesta/ST-L...
http://www.ford.co.uk/ConfigureyourCar/Focus/ST-Li...
The M Performance package is bodystyling and engine tuning and is something aftermarket from BMW. You can have a performance kit with no visual add ons if you want, so it's not necessarily mouth and no trousers.
http://www.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/topics/discover-bmw/m-p...
M Sport is a trim level and nothing more.
Devil2575 said:
RobM77 said:
As I said earlier, people who care about image, like the OP, will get all het up over badges and styling etc and assume other people think like them and the whole car buying game is a peacock's folly. People into cars for how they drive and how they're engineered will focus on that instead. PH is moving alarmingly towards the former, but each to their own! However, it helps to not confuse the two though and assume everyone buys cars for the same reasons that you do.
There are certainly a lot of people who are very concerned with how much they earn, how well they are doing and letting others know all about it.Edited by RobM77 on Thursday 7th July 10:53
You see this coming out in many threads, most notably any time car finance is brought up.
But then you can see where people are comming from. If a large part of the reason for buying a car for you is as a status symbol then it must be very distressing if "normal" people are able to buy the same car on finance and then on top of that anyone can make their small/diesel engined version look superficially similar to your expensive flashier model. I mean how exactly is a person supposed to let everyone else know that he is "considerably richer than them"? It is simply intolerable. The plebs should be driving Fords and it should be illegal to make your 316d look anything like and M3...
Audemars said:
Problem is, is that people with money know that new cars scream poor people trying to look well off. Thus if these poor folks actually want to look rich they should instead be driving an older car.
Nearly everything under 4 years old is on finance.
Nearly everything under 4 years old is on finance.
Good trolling skills. More subtle than most, but still a bit too obvious.
Must try harder.
DoubleD said:
Nearly everything under 4 years old is on finance.
Really? Be interested to hear where you got this fact from?I bet most of these folks cannot afford to buy a £5k used car.
Edited by Audemars on Thursday 7th July 22:40
Devil2575 said:
Rough translation:
"No really, despite appearances I am better off than those people over there"
Three points
Who cares if people buy cars with finance
Who cares what "People with money" think
You have no idea how cars under 4 years old are being paid for.
Anyone who looks at someine and judges them based on how much money they think they have is a tt.
I agree. People driving new cars thinking they are better than those in bangers are t"No really, despite appearances I am better off than those people over there"
Three points
Who cares if people buy cars with finance
Who cares what "People with money" think
You have no idea how cars under 4 years old are being paid for.
Anyone who looks at someine and judges them based on how much money they think they have is a t
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