Ford Or Vauxhall? Which Is Worse
Discussion
The JD Power surveys always seem inherently skewed to me. Lots of cars that elderly people buy and "ooh it's never been a moment's trouble has it, its a beautiful little runabout". Apart from the faulty alternator, head gasket, loom fault... And then on the flip side, you have the sales rep who "really should have got" the 2 litre with leather, but only got the 1.8 cloth that gets ragged to death.
t car I will say as such ) Here you go, links to the two surveys. Enjoy the read!
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2015-uk-vehi...
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-201...
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2015-uk-vehi...
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-201...
Alan_I_W said:
That's all he cares about
I've stated why I like the car. I've had two vauxhalls and hated them and my dad currently has a fiesta (newest shape, top spec) which I also really don't like. No pleasing some however.
SidewaysSi said:
I think we may look for very different things in our cars. Frankly, I don't give a monkeys about the plastics, big wheels, trim or general interior at all. Steering, chassis, pedal positioning, damping etc are however absolutely critical. Hence I don't drive an Audi.
Maybe so. For what it's worth, I don't find any of those things an issue in my car. You obviously have the luxury of better roads than I do or you regularly visit the track. I needed a cheap to run, one car fits all type of thing and the Audi fitted that nicely. If money wasn't a factor then no, I wouldn't be driving a diesel Audi, I'd much rather have an RS3/A45/M140i for the commute and something more tasty for the track!Looking in your garage I see you own a GT4. IF I could afford one myself then that would possibly be my perfect car!
chrisb92 said:
It's not though, at all. It obviously means a lot to you though, or you wouldn't keep going on about it!
I've stated why I like the car. I've had two vauxhalls and hated them and my dad currently has a fiesta (newest shape, top spec) which I also really don't like. No pleasing some however.
If I cared about badge then I'd get something like an RS4 instead of many Subarus, wouldn't I?I've stated why I like the car. I've had two vauxhalls and hated them and my dad currently has a fiesta (newest shape, top spec) which I also really don't like. No pleasing some however.
Alan_I_W said:
chrisb92 said:
It's not though, at all. It obviously means a lot to you though, or you wouldn't keep going on about it!
I've stated why I like the car. I've had two vauxhalls and hated them and my dad currently has a fiesta (newest shape, top spec) which I also really don't like. No pleasing some however.
If I cared about badge then I'd get something like an RS4 instead of many Subarus, wouldn't I?I've stated why I like the car. I've had two vauxhalls and hated them and my dad currently has a fiesta (newest shape, top spec) which I also really don't like. No pleasing some however.
I think you'll find it's you that is obsessed with the badge!
chrisb92 said:
SidewaysSi said:
I think we may look for very different things in our cars. Frankly, I don't give a monkeys about the plastics, big wheels, trim or general interior at all. Steering, chassis, pedal positioning, damping etc are however absolutely critical. Hence I don't drive an Audi.
Maybe so. For what it's worth, I don't find any of those things an issue in my car. You obviously have the luxury of better roads than I do or you regularly visit the track. I needed a cheap to run, one car fits all type of thing and the Audi fitted that nicely. If money wasn't a factor then no, I wouldn't be driving a diesel Audi, I'd much rather have an RS3/A45/M140i for the commute and something more tasty for the track!Looking in your garage I see you own a GT4. IF I could afford one myself then that would possibly be my perfect car!
For a weekend toy absolutely, but a daily hack? Give me comfy seats, a good auto box, a good stereo/sat nav system and no rattles and I'm a happy man. My current hire Insignia offers non of these things, whereas my previous 5 series and soon to be delivered A6 do. Badges aren't always the reason.
My car history is not very exciting at all - but all cars have served there purpose.
ROevr 25, Vauxhall corsa, Vauxhall astra. Missus Rover 200, Citroen c2, ford fiesta, pug 2008
SO neither of us have had amazing cars - oh I did "own" my dads rover 75 for 4 weeks while he was on holiday.
Generally the astra is a good car - it doesn't do anything amazing but is comfortable (done over 1k miles in 3 weeks) few creaks over certain big bumps but genrally perfectly happy - cost me 12k. If this makes me dull because I drive a vauxhall then so be it.
Friend of mine got a audi a3 at the same time I got the astra - mine cost 12k (18 month old) came with sat nav, parking sensors all round, 19 inch alloys, tints, his car for 14k was 28 months old with the wheezy 1.6 diesel engine in sport spec. No sat nav etc (audi dealer said its rubbish anyway - however my astra one is very good).
Yet believe it or not he likes his car (although they are bored of it and want to change) I like my car (although wouldn't mind a change either). Everyone likes different things. How many non petrol heads do you know who drive BMW's - are they now petrolheads (or diesel heads) due to driving a bmw (the badge) - no they are still the same boring old g!t they always have been.
I do however get what car I want - I wanted a corsa, actually did want the astra as needed a 5 door and something cheapish due to a baby on the way, couldn't get the focus as the boot is small on the newer one.
Next car will probably be a present to myself and probably a estate of some sort due to family getting bigger and more stuff needs carrying. We all have different needs from our car - some people are happy spending 1k on a car (i'm not).
ROevr 25, Vauxhall corsa, Vauxhall astra. Missus Rover 200, Citroen c2, ford fiesta, pug 2008
SO neither of us have had amazing cars - oh I did "own" my dads rover 75 for 4 weeks while he was on holiday.
Generally the astra is a good car - it doesn't do anything amazing but is comfortable (done over 1k miles in 3 weeks) few creaks over certain big bumps but genrally perfectly happy - cost me 12k. If this makes me dull because I drive a vauxhall then so be it.
Friend of mine got a audi a3 at the same time I got the astra - mine cost 12k (18 month old) came with sat nav, parking sensors all round, 19 inch alloys, tints, his car for 14k was 28 months old with the wheezy 1.6 diesel engine in sport spec. No sat nav etc (audi dealer said its rubbish anyway - however my astra one is very good).
Yet believe it or not he likes his car (although they are bored of it and want to change) I like my car (although wouldn't mind a change either). Everyone likes different things. How many non petrol heads do you know who drive BMW's - are they now petrolheads (or diesel heads) due to driving a bmw (the badge) - no they are still the same boring old g!t they always have been.
I do however get what car I want - I wanted a corsa, actually did want the astra as needed a 5 door and something cheapish due to a baby on the way, couldn't get the focus as the boot is small on the newer one.
Next car will probably be a present to myself and probably a estate of some sort due to family getting bigger and more stuff needs carrying. We all have different needs from our car - some people are happy spending 1k on a car (i'm not).
SWoll said:
chrisb92 said:
SidewaysSi said:
I think we may look for very different things in our cars. Frankly, I don't give a monkeys about the plastics, big wheels, trim or general interior at all. Steering, chassis, pedal positioning, damping etc are however absolutely critical. Hence I don't drive an Audi.
Maybe so. For what it's worth, I don't find any of those things an issue in my car. You obviously have the luxury of better roads than I do or you regularly visit the track. I needed a cheap to run, one car fits all type of thing and the Audi fitted that nicely. If money wasn't a factor then no, I wouldn't be driving a diesel Audi, I'd much rather have an RS3/A45/M140i for the commute and something more tasty for the track!Looking in your garage I see you own a GT4. IF I could afford one myself then that would possibly be my perfect car!
For a weekend toy absolutely, but a daily hack? Give me comfy seats, a good auto box, a good stereo/sat nav system and no rattles and I'm a happy man. My current hire Insignia offers non of these things, whereas my previous 5 series and soon to be delivered A6 do. Badges aren't always the reason.
I don't do quite as many miles as you, approx. 17-20k PA, but comfort and luxury is still high up on my list of requirements. Being 24 I didn't want a saloon and couldn't justify anything like a 4 series whilst still living with my parents, which left me with a choice of Hatchbacks and none could offer the level of comfort and luxury that the A3 could at the price I paid for mine. Brilliant sat nav, amazing B&O speakers, very comfy ride, great DSG box and decent MPG.
Also, imo, the A3 is a much better looking car than the other hatchbacks on sale and I've already had 2 Golfs, which would be my preferred choice, so chose for the GTD engine in the A3 instead.
chrisb92 said:
It's not though, at all. It obviously means a lot to you though, or you wouldn't keep going on about it!
I've stated why I like the car. I've had two vauxhalls and hated them and my dad currently has a fiesta (newest shape, top spec) which I also really don't like. No pleasing some however.
No one cares what car your daddy drives I've stated why I like the car. I've had two vauxhalls and hated them and my dad currently has a fiesta (newest shape, top spec) which I also really don't like. No pleasing some however.
Having driven a lot of Fords and Vauxhalls over the years I don't think there is a lot of difference.
Vauxhall have generally had a quicker version than the equivalent Ford of the time (e.g. the Astra Mk4 GSI vs the Mk1 ST, or the Vectra VXR vs the Mondeo ST220), and Ford had the heated front windscreen which was nice on a cold morning. Seats were a bit comfier on the Vauxhalls but the stereo was a bit better on the Fords.
I've had a lift in a VXR8, which was exciting... the interior was decent enough but wasn't quite up there with Mercedes fit and finish. I had a Mustang for a few days on holiday and whilst I loved the concept of driving a Mustang, the interior was a bit cheap. I'd still have either of those cars, I have no allegiance to a brand.
Which brings me to the crux: the biggest difference I've noticed is that Ford fanboys are louder than Vauxhall fanboys.
But OP... you like the Mk1 Focus? Looks are subjective, but I'd say it is the ugliest Ford of all time, and I always thought the handling was a bit suspect. Yes, yes, lots of motoring journos raved about it but I never thought it felt any better than the other budget shopping cars.
Vauxhall have generally had a quicker version than the equivalent Ford of the time (e.g. the Astra Mk4 GSI vs the Mk1 ST, or the Vectra VXR vs the Mondeo ST220), and Ford had the heated front windscreen which was nice on a cold morning. Seats were a bit comfier on the Vauxhalls but the stereo was a bit better on the Fords.
I've had a lift in a VXR8, which was exciting... the interior was decent enough but wasn't quite up there with Mercedes fit and finish. I had a Mustang for a few days on holiday and whilst I loved the concept of driving a Mustang, the interior was a bit cheap. I'd still have either of those cars, I have no allegiance to a brand.
Which brings me to the crux: the biggest difference I've noticed is that Ford fanboys are louder than Vauxhall fanboys.
But OP... you like the Mk1 Focus? Looks are subjective, but I'd say it is the ugliest Ford of all time, and I always thought the handling was a bit suspect. Yes, yes, lots of motoring journos raved about it but I never thought it felt any better than the other budget shopping cars.
chrisb92 said:
I'm glad someone is, SWoll!
I don't do quite as many miles as you, approx. 17-20k PA, but comfort and luxury is still high up on my list of requirements. Being 24 I didn't want a saloon and couldn't justify anything like a 4 series whilst still living with my parents, which left me with a choice of Hatchbacks and none could offer the level of comfort and luxury that the A3 could at the price I paid for mine. Brilliant sat nav, amazing B&O speakers, very comfy ride, great DSG box and decent MPG.
Also, imo, the A3 is a much better looking car than the other hatchbacks on sale and I've already had 2 Golfs, which would be my preferred choice, so chose for the GTD engine in the A3 instead.
cheeky nandos tattoo sporting A3 diesel driving weekend millionaires, everything that is wrong with this country right now.I don't do quite as many miles as you, approx. 17-20k PA, but comfort and luxury is still high up on my list of requirements. Being 24 I didn't want a saloon and couldn't justify anything like a 4 series whilst still living with my parents, which left me with a choice of Hatchbacks and none could offer the level of comfort and luxury that the A3 could at the price I paid for mine. Brilliant sat nav, amazing B&O speakers, very comfy ride, great DSG box and decent MPG.
Also, imo, the A3 is a much better looking car than the other hatchbacks on sale and I've already had 2 Golfs, which would be my preferred choice, so chose for the GTD engine in the A3 instead.
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