Cars taking on bikes (again)
Discussion
Rawwr said:
I'm not sure I agree. I believe a Turbo S would be able to sustain a higher average speed in any conditions, cross country, than a litre sports bike.
we don't have to agree but I've come up against a fair few cars when on my S1000RR they don't stay in the mirrors for to long, in the wet yes the rolls are reversed but in the dry the Turbo S can't stay with the bike, did you watch the clips I put up?In the high speed stuff the bikes & supercars have very similar corner speed but the acceleration & the bike having more tarmac to play with swings it in the bikes favour.
As I said race cars beat race bikes pretty much every time but on the road it swings in the other direction.
For example the Porsche will hit 60mph quicker than the bike 8/10ths of a second from a standing start but by 100mph it's 3/10ths behind, in roll on it worse as the bike is gone less inertia etc, I will say again this is all dependent on the rider/drivers skill set.
ZX10R NIN said:
For example the Porsche will hit 60mph quicker than the bike 8/10ths of a second from a standing start but by 100mph it's 3/10ths behind, in roll on it worse as the bike is gone less inertia etc, I will say again this is all dependent on the rider/drivers skill set.
8/10ths quicker to 60 ? I thought both were 2.6 ish seconds?bigdom said:
Berkshire bred said:
Pointless topic really. 90% of the time a bike is quicker with a competent rider, but try picking up a Chinese on your way home on your litre sports bike. Horses for courses.
You are aware most takeaways deliver, or someone like deliveroo will. And most bikers also have cars, I know I do. Or some have luggage, my commuter has around 100L (equivalent to a 20kg check in case at the airport)Great, so I ride past the Chinese get home and then get them to deliver to my house and pay for the pleasure, or load my special curry with no mushrooms into my bike to arrive home with my pannier contaminated with uncontained curry. Or I could ride past the Chinese to go and get my car ( the proper and logical mode of transport) and return to said dispenser of nosh.
Berkshire bred said:
I have played with small bikes around b roads and country lanes in a 110 hp standard mx5 and the bike couldn't pull away or stay with me when i was in front. Obviously on a faster straighter road the bike has the advantage.
They weren't trying. Cars always play with bikes, and it tends to get boring. I tend to only play with proper cars (If) I can be arsed, I generally leave that for trackdays. A snotty mx5 will not keep up with a 250cc, let along anything bigger. Even my commuter/sports tourer does 0-60 in 2.9, and 0-100 in 5.5 secs. The other bikes, umm, that would be a no.That is just you assuming things. My point is that with a suitable car (that i know very well) for the roads I was using and roads that I know well the car was faster, and yes the bike was trying. As for an mx5 not being a proper car well at least it doesn't fall over at the slightest given opportunity.
Berkshire bred said:
Plus in a car you're a lot less likely to become roadkill 
Not in a mx5 your not. Also, think of your dignity (unless) you're a hairdresser!Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
Berkshire bred said:
Much better to dress up as a ninja turtle/ power ranger and crush my balls against a metal tank while being permanently uncomfortable.
Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
If you want to be comfortable, buy a comfy bike and wear warm, rain-proof Gortex clothing. If you are a bit scared and metrosexual about riding a bike then admit it but as someone who's commuted vast distances on one over several years, I can tell you they are very handy indeed for beating traffic. You can also park in places cars cannot. Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
Also, referring to bikers as road kill or organ donors is quite Clarkson and very uncool.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 27th April 17:54
Berkshire bred said:
Much better to dress up as a ninja turtle/ power ranger and crush my balls against a metal tank while being permanently uncomfortable.
Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
I love how you've taken the whole concept of being a cretin and added your own flourishes. It's very modern.Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
there are 2 parts to this debate (which is just for fun) the first is obviously which is faster down a given piece of road, car or bike, well simply put (assuming we are talking about late model 1000cc sports bikes) it's always going to be the bike and before all the detractors start talking about GT3s and any number of track focused hand built exotica please remember we are talking about bog stock litre sport bikes here, also consider costs, someone in a previous post asked how much do you have to spend to comfortably best a 600-700cc bike the answer is a hell of a lot and that's talking about a mid range 600cc like an R6 which are incredibly common and very cheap, I have a customers R6 in my garage at the moment which cost £1500 and it will still have 99% of it's original performance, start looking at litre bikes and one of the best available is the BMW S1000RR which can be had used from around £6K, that's a 195hp machine capable of 190+ MPH, 9.5 sec 1/4 mile, and you can buy one for around £6K now that's value for money, not everyone as the best part of £1/4 million to spend on a low level exotic which will still have inferior performance.
The second part of this debate is how far cars have come compared with bikes over say the last 20 yrs and the answer to this is a long way, I think cars have narrowed the gap substantially, especially top end hot hatches (Golf R's and the like) are now comparable with older 'sports cars' I've had both a TVR Griff 500 and a 996 S4 and my current Golf would get the better of both (easily) mind you I still miss the big gruff Griff !! Move on to todays bikes and the gap isn't as pronounced compared to there predecessors , a K2 GIXER 1000 isn't that much slower than a new Panigale or R1, at the current rate of progress I think cars will eventually overtake bikes, but that time hasn't arrived yet and long may it remain so.
The second part of this debate is how far cars have come compared with bikes over say the last 20 yrs and the answer to this is a long way, I think cars have narrowed the gap substantially, especially top end hot hatches (Golf R's and the like) are now comparable with older 'sports cars' I've had both a TVR Griff 500 and a 996 S4 and my current Golf would get the better of both (easily) mind you I still miss the big gruff Griff !! Move on to todays bikes and the gap isn't as pronounced compared to there predecessors , a K2 GIXER 1000 isn't that much slower than a new Panigale or R1, at the current rate of progress I think cars will eventually overtake bikes, but that time hasn't arrived yet and long may it remain so.
Berkshire bred said:
Much better to dress up as a ninja turtle/ power ranger and crush my balls against a metal tank while being permanently uncomfortable.
Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
Says the man who’s never been near or ridden a bike, and has to ask whether running semi slicks on the road in the wet is a good idea. Okay sunshine.Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
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budd said:
there are 2 parts to this debate (which is just for fun) the first is obviously which is faster down a given piece of road, car or bike, well simply put (assuming we are talking about late model 1000cc sports bikes) it's always going to be the bike and before all the detractors start talking about GT3s and any number of track focused hand built exotica please remember we are talking about bog stock litre sport bikes here, also consider costs, someone in a previous post asked how much do you have to spend to comfortably best a 600-700cc bike the answer is a hell of a lot and that's talking about a mid range 600cc like an R6 which are incredibly common and very cheap, I have a customers R6 in my garage at the moment which cost £1500 and it will still have 99% of it's original performance, start looking at litre bikes and one of the best available is the BMW S1000RR which can be had used from around £6K, that's a 195hp machine capable of 190+ MPH, 9.5 sec 1/4 mile, and you can buy one for around £6K now that's value for money, not everyone as the best part of £1/4 million to spend on a low level exotic which will still have inferior performance.
The second part of this debate is how far cars have come compared with bikes over say the last 20 yrs and the answer to this is a long way, I think cars have narrowed the gap substantially, especially top end hot hatches (Golf R's and the like) are now comparable with older 'sports cars' I've had both a TVR Griff 500 and a 996 S4 and my current Golf would get the better of both (easily) mind you I still miss the big gruff Griff !! Move on to todays bikes and the gap isn't as pronounced compared to there predecessors , a K2 GIXER 1000 isn't that much slower than a new Panigale or R1, at the current rate of progress I think cars will eventually overtake bikes, but that time hasn't arrived yet and long may it remain so.
Why does a car/bike debate always come down to cost from the bikers pov? We all know a bike is cheaper, it's got half as many wheels on for a start. The second part of this debate is how far cars have come compared with bikes over say the last 20 yrs and the answer to this is a long way, I think cars have narrowed the gap substantially, especially top end hot hatches (Golf R's and the like) are now comparable with older 'sports cars' I've had both a TVR Griff 500 and a 996 S4 and my current Golf would get the better of both (easily) mind you I still miss the big gruff Griff !! Move on to todays bikes and the gap isn't as pronounced compared to there predecessors , a K2 GIXER 1000 isn't that much slower than a new Panigale or R1, at the current rate of progress I think cars will eventually overtake bikes, but that time hasn't arrived yet and long may it remain so.
I love my bike, but it takes me a good 20 minutes to get geared up to ride it. By that time the car is parked up 10 miles away.
Berkshire inbred said:
Much better to dress up as a ninja turtle/ power ranger and crush my balls against a metal tank while being permanently uncomfortable.
Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
What do you own a convertible for then?Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
You need to fix your autocorrect, everytime you type something bulls
t comes out.nyxster said:
What do you own a convertible for then?
You need to fix your autocorrect, everytime you type something bullst comes out.
Oh dear I seem to have upset some people as I don't agree that bikes are gods gift to the world and that they are the perfect tool for every job. You need to fix your autocorrect, everytime you type something bulls
t comes out.I think that they have their place as a toy or something to enjoy on the rare occasion we get perfect weather I also accept they can be useful around towns and cities but the rest of the time I don't really get the appeal. However off road dirt bikes I am a big fan and spent a fair amount of time on them in my youth.
For me a convertible was a good compromise between a usable car and getting the benefits of being in the elements. You also don't have the added stress of constantly watching for some idiot trying to kill you a bit like the recent unfortunate road rage death.
As I said each to their own and I have no issue with bikers I just wouldn't chose to use one as a means of transport only as an occasional toy for the good weather. I much prefer I car that covers all of my needs and I can still have fun in.
Berkshire bred said:
For me a convertible was a good compromise between a usable car and getting the benefits of being in the elements.
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Convertibles are basically a flawed concept from a driving dynamics pov in addition to their unfortunate rather council perma tanned hairdresser image. .
:Added weight, reduced structural rigidity are two of the many drawbacks.
Some are at best okay for driving to the pub on a nice Sunday afternoon though.
av185 said:
Convertibles are basically a flawed concept from a driving dynamics pov in addition to their unfortunate rather council perma tanned hairdresser image. :
Added weight, reduced structural rigidity are two of the many drawbacks.
Some are at best okay for driving to the pub on a nice Sunday afternoon though.
OK i know convertibles aren't ideal for trying to set a new nurburgh ring record but day to day it isn't enough to make a meaningful difference. Anyhoo so I can only take a mx5 to the pub 3 times a year yet a litre sports bike Is the new hilux. OK :Added weight, reduced structural rigidity are two of the many drawbacks.
Some are at best okay for driving to the pub on a nice Sunday afternoon though.
Only downside for a convertible to me is being able to hear the scaffolders ensuring you know what a w
ker you are 
( by the sound of it some of you agree, but I don't mind, all fun and games).Berkshire bred said:
Much better to dress up as a ninja turtle/ power ranger and crush my balls against a metal tank while being permanently uncomfortable.
Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
If wearing a pair of jeans & a jacket means you're dressing like a Power Ranger/Ninja Turtle, then there a lot of power rangers on the streets & in cars too. Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
ZX10R NIN said:
Berkshire bred said:
Much better to dress up as a ninja turtle/ power ranger and crush my balls against a metal tank while being permanently uncomfortable.
Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
If wearing a pair of jeans & a jacket means you're dressing like a Power Ranger/Ninja Turtle, then there a lot of power rangers on the streets & in cars too. Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
swerni said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Berkshire bred said:
Much better to dress up as a ninja turtle/ power ranger and crush my balls against a metal tank while being permanently uncomfortable.
Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
If wearing a pair of jeans & a jacket means you're dressing like a Power Ranger/Ninja Turtle, then there a lot of power rangers on the streets & in cars too. Bikes are great for the 3 perfect days of weather we get in this country each year but for that rest of the time to me they just seem a liability. But each to their own.
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