Supermarket Fuel, Facts Please
Discussion
Joey Deacon said:
For all of those banging on about Shell petrol, there are only six refineries in the UK and Shell do not actually own any of them. Shell used to own the Essar refinery but sold it in 2011.
Essar Stanlow Refinery
ExxonMobil ExxonMobil Refinery Fawley
PetroIneos Grangemouth Refinery
Phillips 66 Humber Refinery
Total Lindsey Oil Refinery
Valero Pembroke Refinery
So I think we can assume that all petrol stations (supermarket and branded) buy their petrol from whichever refinery is the closest.
People who claim there car runs "like a bag of spanners" on any fuel aside from one particular brand are living in a fantasy land. I used to own an Impreza Turbo back in the day and after reading Scoobynet I used to be obsessed with running it on Super Unleaded. So I filled it with Super and no difference. People on the internet said this was due to the ECU needing to be reset so I did this and still no difference.
Tesco buy their fuel from the same refinery shell and all the others use, it is all the same.
Who does or doesn’t have a refinery is irrelevant, it is the additives that make the difference.Essar Stanlow Refinery
ExxonMobil ExxonMobil Refinery Fawley
PetroIneos Grangemouth Refinery
Phillips 66 Humber Refinery
Total Lindsey Oil Refinery
Valero Pembroke Refinery
So I think we can assume that all petrol stations (supermarket and branded) buy their petrol from whichever refinery is the closest.
People who claim there car runs "like a bag of spanners" on any fuel aside from one particular brand are living in a fantasy land. I used to own an Impreza Turbo back in the day and after reading Scoobynet I used to be obsessed with running it on Super Unleaded. So I filled it with Super and no difference. People on the internet said this was due to the ECU needing to be reset so I did this and still no difference.
Tesco buy their fuel from the same refinery shell and all the others use, it is all the same.
To be honest it's the same with engine oils.
I always use the cheap(er) stuff from Car Parts for Less...Triple QX - I think it's their own brand maybe? I've been using this stuff for many years and have racked up many thousands of miles in several different cars with no issues....not that are engine wear related anyway, and that includes Turbo cars.
I always use the cheap(er) stuff from Car Parts for Less...Triple QX - I think it's their own brand maybe? I've been using this stuff for many years and have racked up many thousands of miles in several different cars with no issues....not that are engine wear related anyway, and that includes Turbo cars.
Joey Deacon said:
For all of those banging on about Shell petrol, there are only six refineries in the UK and Shell do not actually own any of them. Shell used to own the Essar refinery but sold it in 2011.
Essar Stanlow Refinery
ExxonMobil ExxonMobil Refinery Fawley
PetroIneos Grangemouth Refinery
Phillips 66 Humber Refinery
Total Lindsey Oil Refinery
Valero Pembroke Refinery
So I think we can assume that all petrol stations (supermarket and branded) buy their petrol from whichever refinery is the closest.
People who claim there car runs "like a bag of spanners" on any fuel aside from one particular brand are living in a fantasy land. I used to own an Impreza Turbo back in the day and after reading Scoobynet I used to be obsessed with running it on Super Unleaded. So I filled it with Super and no difference. People on the internet said this was due to the ECU needing to be reset so I did this and still no difference.
Tesco buy their fuel from the same refinery shell and all the others use, it is all the same.
Your Subaru could probably have done with decent regular servicing etc. Everyone adds different additives including bio ingredients to be 'green'Essar Stanlow Refinery
ExxonMobil ExxonMobil Refinery Fawley
PetroIneos Grangemouth Refinery
Phillips 66 Humber Refinery
Total Lindsey Oil Refinery
Valero Pembroke Refinery
So I think we can assume that all petrol stations (supermarket and branded) buy their petrol from whichever refinery is the closest.
People who claim there car runs "like a bag of spanners" on any fuel aside from one particular brand are living in a fantasy land. I used to own an Impreza Turbo back in the day and after reading Scoobynet I used to be obsessed with running it on Super Unleaded. So I filled it with Super and no difference. People on the internet said this was due to the ECU needing to be reset so I did this and still no difference.
Tesco buy their fuel from the same refinery shell and all the others use, it is all the same.
M1C said:
Blimey, I had forgotten how expensive petrol used to be before brexit. I'm a bit perplexed by the cynicism shown here towards different fuels.
The differences are easily tested and I'm sure we've all seen the results of such tests. As I'm sure many people here have, I've done my own tests for my very repeatable and quite long commute and I get 10% better mpg on Shell V Power diesel compared to standard Shell diesel. Every single time I do a comparison test I get pretty much the same result - it can't be the same fuel or anywhere near. Shell std vs BP std is a different and more subtle question of course, and I doubt it's one I could usefully probe in the same way, but surely others have?
I'm particularly confused by the attitude of 'it all comes from crude oil, therefore it's all the same', because surely there's a long road between a crude oil refinery and the forecourt pump, involving various additives?
Most bizarre is the "it all meets the standards, so it's all the same" attitude, which surely is like saying that because a McLaren Senna passes the same MoT as a Ford Fiesta, they are the same car?
The differences are easily tested and I'm sure we've all seen the results of such tests. As I'm sure many people here have, I've done my own tests for my very repeatable and quite long commute and I get 10% better mpg on Shell V Power diesel compared to standard Shell diesel. Every single time I do a comparison test I get pretty much the same result - it can't be the same fuel or anywhere near. Shell std vs BP std is a different and more subtle question of course, and I doubt it's one I could usefully probe in the same way, but surely others have?
I'm particularly confused by the attitude of 'it all comes from crude oil, therefore it's all the same', because surely there's a long road between a crude oil refinery and the forecourt pump, involving various additives?
Most bizarre is the "it all meets the standards, so it's all the same" attitude, which surely is like saying that because a McLaren Senna passes the same MoT as a Ford Fiesta, they are the same car?
Flumpo said:
M1C said:
Blimey, I had forgotten how expensive petrol used to be before brexit. https://www.racfoundation.org/data/uk-pump-prices-...
Everyone’s opinion is going to be different on this.
One person has run cars on supermarket fuel for years and had no issues.
Another wouldn’t touch it.
My previous diesel was remapped, it ran better, had less clatter and less smoke under load with BP than on Morrison’s diesel. Based over 3 years of use.
Current diesel is remapped and has performance intercooler.
Again. Runs better, less clatter and smoke on BP than Morrison’s. Currently, 6 years and over 83,000 miles.
A friend and PH’er has commented numerous times, that in winter following it, it makes far less haze when on Ultimate than on regular diesel as well.
Make of that what you wish.
One person has run cars on supermarket fuel for years and had no issues.
Another wouldn’t touch it.
My previous diesel was remapped, it ran better, had less clatter and less smoke under load with BP than on Morrison’s diesel. Based over 3 years of use.
Current diesel is remapped and has performance intercooler.
Again. Runs better, less clatter and smoke on BP than Morrison’s. Currently, 6 years and over 83,000 miles.
A friend and PH’er has commented numerous times, that in winter following it, it makes far less haze when on Ultimate than on regular diesel as well.
Make of that what you wish.
TooMany2cvs said:
Flumpo said:
M1C said:
Blimey, I had forgotten how expensive petrol used to be before brexit. https://www.racfoundation.org/data/uk-pump-prices-...
Not overly scientific, but my 640d ran better, smoother and quite, on V-Power than normal, also got c5% better range on average.
My QV likewise gets a better range on V-Power than on standard, albeit that is a little harder to tell. Also seems to get a better range on V-Power than Momentum 99.
For me it boils down to this, when you spend £60/80k on a highly tuned car, why skimp on a fiver a tankful - £10-15/mth.
My QV likewise gets a better range on V-Power than on standard, albeit that is a little harder to tell. Also seems to get a better range on V-Power than Momentum 99.
For me it boils down to this, when you spend £60/80k on a highly tuned car, why skimp on a fiver a tankful - £10-15/mth.
lbc said:
I always found Asda to be the worst quality fuel.
Yeah, same observation as mine. Car drinks like a fish when filled with it. No problems with Tesco/Sainsburys though. I used to fill up with shell, but in the last 6 months the price difference has gone from 2ppl to 4/5 - any increase in economy is lost.
Never put vpower in.
Never you mind said:
Used Tesco 99/BP Ultimate and Shell VPower on the lambo and not noticed any difference whatsoever.
The wife uses Tesco99 on her AMG (Proper AMG and Not AMG Line) almost exclusively and surprise surprise nothing has happened to it.
It's all marketing bulls
t really.
There’s no marketing at all. It’s not a marketing/branding thing - it’s an urban myth, old wives tail and nothing more.The wife uses Tesco99 on her AMG (Proper AMG and Not AMG Line) almost exclusively and surprise surprise nothing has happened to it.
It's all marketing bulls
t really.TooMany2cvs said:
Pity whoever mapped it couldn't be arsed to do something with a knock-sensor and fallback map, eh?
Would you use Tesco 99RON? If not, why not?
I would and do use Tesco 99 without issue.Would you use Tesco 99RON? If not, why not?
Your statement about my tuner! Get into it with him. Evotune in Durham, one of the most respected and popular tuners in the Evo community. After I fitted a variable valve timing head to it, he got my car to run correctly on SD ( you won't know what that is, and I CBA to explain it to you ), 7 years ago, and even now his competitors struggle to make it work. I'm sure he'll be thrilled to have a genius like you on the phone keeping him straight about knock sensors and " fallback " maps.
You make me laugh, you seem to think there isn't a subject on PH you don't know more about than anyone else, even someone else's car in this instance. Still, if it makes me laugh, and it keeps you happy, crack on!
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