Cyclists without lights - something needs to be done
Discussion
cb1965 said:
Killboy said:
Mave said:
Mad isn't it? Cbeebies starts a post referring to the opinion of "the usual mob", calls people out on opinions they haven't expressed, then complains "it's not on" and that people implying things "makes the place toxic". One day, maybe, we can have a conversation about cycling related issues without people like Cbeebies kicking off right from the start then trying to play "holier than thou" when it goes downhill.
Yup. This is actually funny and sad at the same time.cb1965 said:
Killboy said:
Wow. You really do dodge any actual conversation or question dont you?
This is why there is no point to these "debates". You threads and posts are either nothing but trolling, or the result of someone with some serious issues in life. I'd suggest figuring out what it is and getting help. Maybe you just miss London?
I'm not dodging anything, but I'm not prepared to let you attribute me supporting a viewpoint that I don't support by chucking it into a post in the full knowledge that another of your cronies will pick it up and treat it as gospel. The fact you are prepared to use the death of a cyclist to try and score points is pretty low frankly. This is why there is no point to these "debates". You threads and posts are either nothing but trolling, or the result of someone with some serious issues in life. I'd suggest figuring out what it is and getting help. Maybe you just miss London?
I have subsequently even said you never said it. And you still insulating I am? I tell you the odd thing about it, you blaming me for referencing a post that made in support of your argument, and you still have not said anything about it. Where is the outrage at that?
80sMatchbox said:
J4CKO said:
Saw this and thought of this thread, two kids on a bike at 2.55 AM, one tragically killed and the other seriously injured by a drink driver, strongly suspect that they wont have had lights and possibly why the pisshead didnt see them, that and being blind drunk by the sound of it.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
A drunk driver kills 1 person, severely injures another and crashes into a taxi, and yet you are assuming that the injured and dead are partly to blame for this?https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
Given the facts linked above, I find your assumptions extraordinary and in bad taste.
So, what do we blame the taxi driver for, or am I doing this wrong and we only victim blame cyclists?
Mandalore said:
80sMatchbox said:
J4CKO said:
Saw this and thought of this thread, two kids on a bike at 2.55 AM, one tragically killed and the other seriously injured by a drink driver, strongly suspect that they wont have had lights and possibly why the pisshead didnt see them, that and being blind drunk by the sound of it.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
A drunk driver kills 1 person, severely injures another and crashes into a taxi, and yet you are assuming that the injured and dead are partly to blame for this?https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
Given the facts linked above, I find your assumptions extraordinary and in bad taste.
The driver was drunk and had much lower than normal observation skills.
The victims were harder to see, because they had no lights.
I am drawing my own conclusions without any prejudice and it’s my opinion that both factors were contributory,.
It’s always sad when a life is lost, but trying to score political points from their tragedy is wrong IMHO.
Mave said:
cb1965 said:
Killboy said:
Mave said:
Mad isn't it? Cbeebies starts a post referring to the opinion of "the usual mob", calls people out on opinions they haven't expressed, then complains "it's not on" and that people implying things "makes the place toxic". One day, maybe, we can have a conversation about cycling related issues without people like Cbeebies kicking off right from the start then trying to play "holier than thou" when it goes downhill.
Yup. This is actually funny and sad at the same time.That must really hurt.
Mandalore said:
Mave said:
cb1965 said:
Killboy said:
Mave said:
Mad isn't it? Cbeebies starts a post referring to the opinion of "the usual mob", calls people out on opinions they haven't expressed, then complains "it's not on" and that people implying things "makes the place toxic". One day, maybe, we can have a conversation about cycling related issues without people like Cbeebies kicking off right from the start then trying to play "holier than thou" when it goes downhill.
Yup. This is actually funny and sad at the same time.That must really hurt.
Edited by Mave on Monday 12th November 20:49
80sMatchbox said:
J4CKO said:
Saw this and thought of this thread, two kids on a bike at 2.55 AM, one tragically killed and the other seriously injured by a drink driver, strongly suspect that they wont have had lights and possibly why the pisshead didnt see them, that and being blind drunk by the sound of it.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
A drunk driver kills 1 person, severely injures another and crashes into a taxi, and yet you are assuming that the injured and dead are partly to blame for this?https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
Given the facts linked above, I find your assumptions extraordinary and in bad taste.
Granted, I dont know the facts and am making assumptions, I may be wrong, maybe they had lights but there were two of them on the same bike at 2.55 AM in the morning, whenever I see two kids on the same bike, I get the impression road safety and preparation arent top of the agenda, after all that contravenes the Highway code,
68
You MUST NOT
carry a passenger unless your cycle has been built or adapted to carry one
I am guessing again that they werent on a Tandem, so they, like a lot of young lads werent all that interested in regulations, so its not a leap to suggest that perhaps they werent lit up and having your mate on the back doesnt exactly help the stability, I have done it and its not great, but quicker than walking.
Even with a drunk driver, you have a better chance of being seen if you can be seen, of course nobody should be driving pissed but this is what the thread is about, cyclists without lights, at night and I am pretty certain they wont have been lit based on the facts.
Maybe if it was the case, then it could be used as evidence to perhaps get some others to think lights may be a good idea ? we all know drink driving is a bad idea, but the lights at night thing hasnt got through very well, if you are on a bike you are vulnerable and cant rely on drivers as some have poor eyesight, are distracted, tired, drunk or just dont see you until its too late.
And the driver it a taxi, could that be because he had just knocked two people off a bike and panicked, whilst drunk in a bid to get away ?
Edited by J4CKO on Monday 12th November 21:10
Unlit side street. Absolute f
king moron on a bike in pitch dark.
Not to mention how narrow the road was and islands in the middle.
To avoid I actually had serve into the other lane which was clear and around the island and back into the correct lane.
I did not see him till it was too late. He is very lucky
king moron on a bike in pitch dark.Not to mention how narrow the road was and islands in the middle.
To avoid I actually had serve into the other lane which was clear and around the island and back into the correct lane.
I did not see him till it was too late. He is very lucky
bmwmike said:
thiscocks said:
Well I got flashed today for daring to have a decent front light on my bike so I can see where I'm going. You can't win. ??
The flashing just means the driver saw you. That's how I see it anyway. Cant have enough lumens, especially at this time of year.We are getting to winter and I’ll use the defender with rally-spec lighting.
I always dip the lights but if some tt on a bike wants to play hardball he’ll get 12 gazillion lumens ( scientifically proven) to turn him to toast.
Why can’t we all just get along. This is a thread about tts who don’t use lights. Then we have the tts who use lighthouse lamps and blind drivers and take the view that “ we can’t do any right “
FFS accept we share the road- get your hi viz and approved lights and don’t blind me otherwise I’ll give you defcon 1 with a 950ah battery and a 120A alternator.
I always dip the lights but if some t
t on a bike wants to play hardball he’ll get 12 gazillion lumens ( scientifically proven) to turn him to toast.Why can’t we all just get along. This is a thread about t
ts who don’t use lights. Then we have the tts who use lighthouse lamps and blind drivers and take the view that “ we can’t do any right “ FFS accept we share the road- get your hi viz and approved lights and don’t blind me otherwise I’ll give you defcon 1 with a 950ah battery and a 120A alternator.
J4CKO said:
I can see the point you are making, I love the phrase "Victim Blaming", its like if you come off worse in a situation you are beyond any kind of criticism or responsibility.
Granted, I dont know the facts and am making assumptions, I may be wrong, maybe they had lights but there were two of them on the same bike at 2.55 AM in the morning, whenever I see two kids on the same bike, I get the impression road safety and preparation arent top of the agenda, after all that contravenes the Highway code,
68
You MUST NOT
carry a passenger unless your cycle has been built or adapted to carry one
I am guessing again that they werent on a Tandem, so they, like a lot of young lads werent all that interested in regulations, so its not a leap to suggest that perhaps they werent lit up and having your mate on the back doesnt exactly help the stability, I have done it and its not great, but quicker than walking.
Even with a drunk driver, you have a better chance of being seen if you can be seen, of course nobody should be driving pissed but this is what the thread is about, cyclists without lights, at night and I am pretty certain they wont have been lit based on the facts.
Maybe if it was the case, then it could be used as evidence to perhaps get some others to think lights may be a good idea ? we all know drink driving is a bad idea, but the lights at night thing hasnt got through very well, if you are on a bike you are vulnerable and cant rely on drivers as some have poor eyesight, are distracted, tired, drunk or just dont see you until its too late.
And the driver it a taxi, could that be because he had just knocked two people off a bike and panicked, whilst drunk in a bid to get away ?
You're still making up parts of the story that you have no idea about. I'd quit now until it comes out.Granted, I dont know the facts and am making assumptions, I may be wrong, maybe they had lights but there were two of them on the same bike at 2.55 AM in the morning, whenever I see two kids on the same bike, I get the impression road safety and preparation arent top of the agenda, after all that contravenes the Highway code,
68
You MUST NOT
carry a passenger unless your cycle has been built or adapted to carry one
I am guessing again that they werent on a Tandem, so they, like a lot of young lads werent all that interested in regulations, so its not a leap to suggest that perhaps they werent lit up and having your mate on the back doesnt exactly help the stability, I have done it and its not great, but quicker than walking.
Even with a drunk driver, you have a better chance of being seen if you can be seen, of course nobody should be driving pissed but this is what the thread is about, cyclists without lights, at night and I am pretty certain they wont have been lit based on the facts.
Maybe if it was the case, then it could be used as evidence to perhaps get some others to think lights may be a good idea ? we all know drink driving is a bad idea, but the lights at night thing hasnt got through very well, if you are on a bike you are vulnerable and cant rely on drivers as some have poor eyesight, are distracted, tired, drunk or just dont see you until its too late.
And the driver it a taxi, could that be because he had just knocked two people off a bike and panicked, whilst drunk in a bid to get away ?
Edited by J4CKO on Monday 12th November 21:10
There've always been loads of cyclists riding at night without lights or any reflective clothing and it is completely idiotic.
I've recently started riding again after a 25 year brake and this has involved buying some new lights. They are tiny and ludicrously powerful. Amazing bits of kit when you've previously used halogen bulbs and dynamos. Not cheap though. And they clearly need to be used responsibly. The back light is offensively bright in one of its flashing modes. The front light is blinding at full power up close.
I've recently started riding again after a 25 year brake and this has involved buying some new lights. They are tiny and ludicrously powerful. Amazing bits of kit when you've previously used halogen bulbs and dynamos. Not cheap though. And they clearly need to be used responsibly. The back light is offensively bright in one of its flashing modes. The front light is blinding at full power up close.
J4CKO said:
And is now annoyed at being blinded, I cycle unlit lanes with some Chinese Owl Burners fitted but I point them down at to the left when there is oncoming traffic, hey presto, no drivers returning fire.
I do exactly the same,point down in traffic etc, but as demonstrated on this thread you get knob heads on both sides and if I need to be seen I'm quite capable of being one if it means being seen and not squashed.
Killboy said:
cb1965 said:
Killboy said:
Wow. You really do dodge any actual conversation or question dont you?
This is why there is no point to these "debates". You threads and posts are either nothing but trolling, or the result of someone with some serious issues in life. I'd suggest figuring out what it is and getting help. Maybe you just miss London?
I'm not dodging anything, but I'm not prepared to let you attribute me supporting a viewpoint that I don't support by chucking it into a post in the full knowledge that another of your cronies will pick it up and treat it as gospel. The fact you are prepared to use the death of a cyclist to try and score points is pretty low frankly. This is why there is no point to these "debates". You threads and posts are either nothing but trolling, or the result of someone with some serious issues in life. I'd suggest figuring out what it is and getting help. Maybe you just miss London?
I have subsequently even said you never said it. And you still insulating I am? I tell you the odd thing about it, you blaming me for referencing a post that made in support of your argument, and you still have not said anything about it. Where is the outrage at that?
cb1965 said:
Killboy said:
cb1965 said:
Killboy said:
Wow. You really do dodge any actual conversation or question dont you?
This is why there is no point to these "debates". You threads and posts are either nothing but trolling, or the result of someone with some serious issues in life. I'd suggest figuring out what it is and getting help. Maybe you just miss London?
I'm not dodging anything, but I'm not prepared to let you attribute me supporting a viewpoint that I don't support by chucking it into a post in the full knowledge that another of your cronies will pick it up and treat it as gospel. The fact you are prepared to use the death of a cyclist to try and score points is pretty low frankly. This is why there is no point to these "debates". You threads and posts are either nothing but trolling, or the result of someone with some serious issues in life. I'd suggest figuring out what it is and getting help. Maybe you just miss London?
I have subsequently even said you never said it. And you still insulating I am? I tell you the odd thing about it, you blaming me for referencing a post that made in support of your argument, and you still have not said anything about it. Where is the outrage at that?
J4CKO said:
cb1965 said:
Killboy said:
cb1965 said:
Killboy said:
Wow. You really do dodge any actual conversation or question dont you?
This is why there is no point to these "debates". You threads and posts are either nothing but trolling, or the result of someone with some serious issues in life. I'd suggest figuring out what it is and getting help. Maybe you just miss London?
I'm not dodging anything, but I'm not prepared to let you attribute me supporting a viewpoint that I don't support by chucking it into a post in the full knowledge that another of your cronies will pick it up and treat it as gospel. The fact you are prepared to use the death of a cyclist to try and score points is pretty low frankly. This is why there is no point to these "debates". You threads and posts are either nothing but trolling, or the result of someone with some serious issues in life. I'd suggest figuring out what it is and getting help. Maybe you just miss London?
I have subsequently even said you never said it. And you still insulating I am? I tell you the odd thing about it, you blaming me for referencing a post that made in support of your argument, and you still have not said anything about it. Where is the outrage at that?
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