SSC Tuatara Top Speed run apparently faked?

[Hazmat1]

Well it seems there is a new speed related conundrum for the three wise men to unravel, pick apart and demand a re run

Top gear set a new electric ice cream van speed record of 80.04mph

Something tells me that the footage they used in the record run doesn’t match up with the actual run... can our you tube revenue loving investigators rumble another case of cheating again?

[Piginapoke]

f1nn said:

Is anyone else finding the reaction to this tiresome?

SSC have committed to re running the car to confirm what they believe was achieved last time.

It either will, or it won’t.

The three stooges are should star in a remake of Poirot...analysing the engine noise indeed...get a fking life.

I couldn't care less

[AlexS]

The Spruce Goose said:

isn't it possible to run it on a rolling road to give an idea of top speed?

Edited by The Spruce Goose on Sunday 1st November 20:53

I don't know if there are any rolling roads that would work with the wheel speed for a 300+ mph run. Assuming there was, whilst it may be possible to program the rollers with the desired resistance profile you wouldn't be able to simulate the 300mph wind and the cooling benefits that it brings.

[Strudul]

AlexS said:

I don't know if there are any rolling roads that would work with the wheel speed for a 300+ mph run. Assuming there was, whilst it may be possible to program the rollers with the desired resistance profile you wouldn't be able to simulate the 300mph wind and the cooling benefits that it brings.

Google tells me you get wind tunnels that run up to Mach 5, so theoretically just stick your rolling road in a wind tunnel to simulate rather than having the usual big fan blowing like on a dyno sesh.

Don't seem to be any rolling roads that go high enough, but doesn't mean it's not possible. Though if something goes wrong I assume it ends up like the videos of people flying off treadmills, but at 30x the speed in a big metal box, so would need some beefy straps keeping it located

Edited by Strudul on Monday 2nd November 08:28

[fatbutt]

Why a 2nd run matters is because this is a 'production car' record. In theory, owners should be able to do these speeds. This being the case, the supplier should have no problem doing the run twice. This should not be a substantially stripped out 'special' or a heavily mod'ed version of the production car. To say that doing a second run isn't practical as its unsafe somewhat misses the point of what this record is all about.

[DonBarracuda]

Hazmat1 said:

Well it seems there is a new speed related conundrum for the three wise men to unravel, pick apart and demand a re run

Top gear set a new electric ice cream van speed record of 80.04mph

Something tells me that the footage they used in the record run doesn’t match up with the actual run... can our you tube revenue loving investigators rumble another case of cheating again?

Why, are you in the market for an electric ice cream van?

For those interested - Julian Thomas founder of RaceLogic weighs in - https://youtu.be/j_uTuNcqZVQ

Ollie Webb says he'd only do a second run if it's on an open runway withall the GPS systems in place.

Edited by DonBarracuda on Monday 2nd November 10:54

[Hazmat1]

I want a new ice cream van like Tim, Robert and Misha want an SSC..

didn't stop them having an opinion on video fakery so its logical they should want to call out this blatant lie, probably not enough content in for them though.

[123RY]

Hazmat1 said:

I want a new ice cream van like Tim, Robert and Misha want an SSC..

didn't stop them having an opinion on video fakery so its logical they should want to call out this blatant lie, probably not enough content in for them though.

Video editing aside, the TG run (unlike the SSC run) was attended by a Guinness World Records Adjudicator, so how it can be a blatant lie?

[jhoneyball]

DonBarracuda said:

Why, are you in the market for an electric ice cream van?

For those interested - Julian Thomas founder of RaceLogic weighs in - https://youtu.be/j_uTuNcqZVQ

Ollie Webb says he'd only do a second run if it's on an open runway withall the GPS systems in place.

Edited by DonBarracuda on Monday 2nd November 10:54

Julian and RaceLogic really know their stuff. He mentions their LabSat GPS generators -- I have those in the lab, and they are ace. Also their integrated GPS data recording with video recording kit is superb too. Definitely my go-to company for grown-up GPS stuff

[Steven_RW]

The racelogic analysis is just wonderful to watch. To be reminded that the internet also has completely professional specialists willing to show their work for free is just so refreshing. How anyone can call this topic boring is beyond me.

[wc98]

jhoneyball said:

DonBarracuda said:

Why, are you in the market for an electric ice cream van?

For those interested - Julian Thomas founder of RaceLogic weighs in - https://youtu.be/j_uTuNcqZVQ

Ollie Webb says he'd only do a second run if it's on an open runway withall the GPS systems in place.

Edited by DonBarracuda on Monday 2nd November 10:54

Julian and RaceLogic really know their stuff. He mentions their LabSat GPS generators -- I have those in the lab, and they are ace. Also their integrated GPS data recording with video recording kit is superb too. Definitely my go-to company for grown-up GPS stuff

223 mph ! even worse than suspected by others and i have to say i now find it even harder to believe the driver had no knowledge of any discrepancy on the day. i believe he has taken part in top speed runs in other marques and exceeded that speed,so hard to say lack of high speed experience plays a part.

i realise some people don't see what the fuss is about, but i am glad there are people out there where the integrity of records whether they be top speed, lap times etc matters. over the years people have invested huge sums of time and money in trying to beat records,some have received severe injuries and others ended up dead. anyone trying to trivialise what goes into achieving a genuine record by at best lacking due diligence, at worst deliberately cheating ,needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

they certainly won't have to wonder on why their reputation might end up in the toilet. sorry state of affairs that i really hope can be mitigated by achieving some serious numbers on a properly monitored run in the near future.

[honda_exige]

DonBarracuda said:

Why, are you in the market for an electric ice cream van?

For those interested - Julian Thomas founder of RaceLogic weighs in - https://youtu.be/j_uTuNcqZVQ

Ollie Webb says he'd only do a second run if it's on an open runway withall the GPS systems in place.

Edited by DonBarracuda on Monday 2nd November 10:54

This is glorious, they just applied a 1.5x multiplier to the GPS output and hoped no one would notice

[jhoneyball]

Steven_RW said:

The racelogic analysis is just wonderful to watch. To be reminded that the internet also has completely professional specialists willing to show their work for free is just so refreshing. How anyone can call this topic boring is beyond me.

What would be fun with the LabSat kit we have (which is fully car compatible and battery powered) is to record the live satellite data in real time (about 120GB/hour if i remember correctly), then play it back out transmitting into a localised puddle. Your tame home GPS in car or phone etc will then think it is going 260mph (or whatever). Would be fun to see how some sat systems react!

(or I can fire up the racelogic/labsat SatGen software, dig into google maps, draw a route and assign speeds to all the sections. You define a date and time. Then it generates the satellite feed data which you can then play out. Huge fun for testing how things react)

[jhoneyball]

honda_exige said:

This is glorious, they just applied a 1.5x multiplier to the GPS output and hoped no one would notice

Given it is an Austrian based company, I did wonder if it was outputting KM/H and not the Miles/hour that SSC might presume. But the 1.5x is not quite right for that, unless there was an "optimisation" applied as well.

[Smokey32]

Nobody seems to of mentioned 1.4 miles in 24 seconds, doing apparently 300mph? Maths ain't my strong suit but yeah.................

[Hazmat1]

123RY said:

Video editing aside, the TG run (unlike the SSC run) was attended by a Guinness World Records Adjudicator, so how it can be a blatant lie?

Oh ffs. It’s the edit I was meaning not showing the entire run start to finish is what upset Tim et al

[honda_exige]

Hazmat1 said:

Oh ffs. It’s the edit I was meaning not showing the entire run start to finish is what upset Tim et al

??
That's not what upset them, have you watched the vids, at all?

[fatbutt]

Assuming Julian is right (no reason to suspect he's wrong), it says a lot that at the speed he's estimating the car was quite unstable. This fits with my concern that the car has yet to be fully engineered in aero terms.

[honda_exige]

fatbutt said:

Assuming Julian is right (no reason to suspect he's wrong), it says a lot that at the speed he's estimating the car was quite unstable. This fits with my concern that the car has yet to be fully engineered in aero terms.

Good point, interesting that the Jesko Absolut has stabilising fins.

[Bodo]

Alex Kierstein at Motortrend no longer thinks that the controversy is dumb


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What ever Jerod Shelby is now going to do or not to do, it will move his fate in world record speeds.