RE: Nissan GTR
Discussion
i seen a youtube vid review of this car, and it beat gallardo supperleggera straight line speed, and does 0-60 in 3.3 seconds. that effing amazing!
with its amazing futuristic looks, big equipment list, i think this car will have a £10,000 premiumn on it when it comes out
and depreciation will be marginal
with its amazing futuristic looks, big equipment list, i think this car will have a £10,000 premiumn on it when it comes out
and depreciation will be marginal
by the fact that this car is slowly getting worldwide recognition.
its not a chavved up spoilered tuned up car based on a normal car like the old skyline, but its instead a fully fledged techno fest supercar designed to take on Porsche etc. Its got 20 inch wheels as standard, amazing techno hardware, . amazing standard equipment, and with 0-60 in 3.3 seconds making the headlines combined with those looks, this car is going to retain its value. even nissan know this and is trying to keep supply limited in the Uk
if you had an order for this car , it would easily sell for 80-90,000 on the market. its better than an audi r8 in almost everyway
its not a chavved up spoilered tuned up car based on a normal car like the old skyline, but its instead a fully fledged techno fest supercar designed to take on Porsche etc. Its got 20 inch wheels as standard, amazing techno hardware, . amazing standard equipment, and with 0-60 in 3.3 seconds making the headlines combined with those looks, this car is going to retain its value. even nissan know this and is trying to keep supply limited in the Uk
if you had an order for this car , it would easily sell for 80-90,000 on the market. its better than an audi r8 in almost everyway
i just got a feeling about this skyline for keeping value.
when i first thought new skyline this image of chavs driving tarted up skylines came to mind, but this car is a real 997 t, superleggera alternative, it even looks a bit like a 599, talking of which
i also thought the new ferrari 599 would retain high value, people on this forum said i was talking nonsense as i dont own a F car but they are still holding value.
this is skyline vs lambo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2tApA3-u-I
when i first thought new skyline this image of chavs driving tarted up skylines came to mind, but this car is a real 997 t, superleggera alternative, it even looks a bit like a 599, talking of which
i also thought the new ferrari 599 would retain high value, people on this forum said i was talking nonsense as i dont own a F car but they are still holding value.
this is skyline vs lambo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2tApA3-u-I
K321 said:
by the fact that this car is slowly getting worldwide recognition.
Sorry but have you missed the Skylines global ascent to petrolhead fame over the past decade?!
K321 said:
if you had an order for this car , it would easily sell for 80-90,000 on the market. its better than an audi r8 in almost everyway
Anyone who paid £90,000 for a £60,000 car would be a fool, IMO. The whole point of this car is you get the type of performance you would expect from a £100,000 car at a 'bargin' price so to pay that money would defeat the object.K321 said:
i also thought the new ferrari 599 would retain high value, people on this forum said i was talking nonsense as i dont own a F car but they are still holding value.
The car is not exactly old enough yet lose any dramatic value though. The demand of the car, I imagine, still outstrips the supply in the current market?HeavySoul said:
Anyone who paid £90,000 for a £60,000 car would be a fool, IMO. The whole point of this car is you get the type of performance you would expect from a £100,000 car at a 'bargin' price so to pay that money would defeat the object.
price isnt half going up in america! said:
So much for getting a GT-R at anywhere near sticker. There’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that the 2009 Nissan GT-R won’t be sold at invoice. With the new cost associated with the GT-R business, a little market value increase is expected, as dealerships have to train their technicians on the new vehicle.
We made 15 phone calls to dealerships in various states including California, Virginia, Washington, Florida, Illinois and Texas. The general consensus is that would-be GT-R owners are, in a few cases, going to pay almost double the sticker price of the 3.8L two-door.
One of our first calls, a friendly sales rep at Nissan of Huntington Beach (California), told us, “We are marking it up. We’re seeing averages of 20-30 grand [from dealers]”. Another salesman at a dealership in Seattle, Washington told us, “It’s going to be like an auction, going to the highest bidder. Only the General Manager and owner of the store are allowed to sell [GT-Rs]. Just like an auction.”
George, a salesman from a dealership in Carson, California stated, “I spoke with finance and they said, ‘ it’ll be $50,000 over sticker.’” Take note, he was pretty nonchalant when he told us that the mark-up would be roughly the price of one 350Z and a Sentra combined. That wasn’t the highest mark-up we found; another dealership told us that it’ll be first come, first serve and that they won’t accept deposits, but that consumers should expect to pay “$35,000 to 60,000 over sticker.” Let’s see, $69,000 plus $60,000..
We’d be blind and deaf to not see a pattern here, but there’s no much interested buyers can do. Nissan plans to produce roughly 1,500 units per year through the vehicles lifecycle. There’s little supply and a whole lotta demand. Dealerships are expected to get between 2-8 units, most will be closer to the former with only high volume dealerships getting more GT-R vehicles. And even though the dealers are expecting a scant few vehicles, they’re still taking names, with one list up over 40 people. With odds like that, don’t even bother to put your name down on a list.
There’s not much that Nissan can do to “fix” this problem. When contacted for a statement Nissan stated, “We are being very vocal about pricing of the car with consumers and the dealers to reinforce the value. As you know, we legally can’t prevent dealers from setting their own price as they are a franchise, but we will do what we can to reinforce the resistance to mark-ups.
“For the sale of GT-R’s we are asking dealers to require dealer principals and/or Executive Managers to deal with consumers interested in buying the GT-R. This ensures that management at the highest level of the dealership is making the deal.
“Additionally we are working with dealers to look at the long term plan for the vehicle on how mark-ups may hinder that plan. We are working closely with them so that they are aware and understand what we envision for the vehicle beyond the first model year and ensure they understand how their active involvement will help with that. This is definitely a partnership (as with any vehicle) so we want to reinforce that.
“Allocation of GT-Rs will be based on a number of criteria including the sale of current 350Z models so that may help ease some of the mark-up pressure.
“Finally we are requiring dealers to submit pre-sale paperwork through our regional offices which includes the sale price so that Nissan can provide ongoing counsel regarding mark-ups of the vehicle.”
It’s true, as independently owned businesses the dealerships are free to set their own prices, but this is something that will only hurt the brand and GT-R moniker, not help it.
We made 15 phone calls to dealerships in various states including California, Virginia, Washington, Florida, Illinois and Texas. The general consensus is that would-be GT-R owners are, in a few cases, going to pay almost double the sticker price of the 3.8L two-door.
One of our first calls, a friendly sales rep at Nissan of Huntington Beach (California), told us, “We are marking it up. We’re seeing averages of 20-30 grand [from dealers]”. Another salesman at a dealership in Seattle, Washington told us, “It’s going to be like an auction, going to the highest bidder. Only the General Manager and owner of the store are allowed to sell [GT-Rs]. Just like an auction.”
George, a salesman from a dealership in Carson, California stated, “I spoke with finance and they said, ‘ it’ll be $50,000 over sticker.’” Take note, he was pretty nonchalant when he told us that the mark-up would be roughly the price of one 350Z and a Sentra combined. That wasn’t the highest mark-up we found; another dealership told us that it’ll be first come, first serve and that they won’t accept deposits, but that consumers should expect to pay “$35,000 to 60,000 over sticker.” Let’s see, $69,000 plus $60,000..
We’d be blind and deaf to not see a pattern here, but there’s no much interested buyers can do. Nissan plans to produce roughly 1,500 units per year through the vehicles lifecycle. There’s little supply and a whole lotta demand. Dealerships are expected to get between 2-8 units, most will be closer to the former with only high volume dealerships getting more GT-R vehicles. And even though the dealers are expecting a scant few vehicles, they’re still taking names, with one list up over 40 people. With odds like that, don’t even bother to put your name down on a list.
There’s not much that Nissan can do to “fix” this problem. When contacted for a statement Nissan stated, “We are being very vocal about pricing of the car with consumers and the dealers to reinforce the value. As you know, we legally can’t prevent dealers from setting their own price as they are a franchise, but we will do what we can to reinforce the resistance to mark-ups.
“For the sale of GT-R’s we are asking dealers to require dealer principals and/or Executive Managers to deal with consumers interested in buying the GT-R. This ensures that management at the highest level of the dealership is making the deal.
“Additionally we are working with dealers to look at the long term plan for the vehicle on how mark-ups may hinder that plan. We are working closely with them so that they are aware and understand what we envision for the vehicle beyond the first model year and ensure they understand how their active involvement will help with that. This is definitely a partnership (as with any vehicle) so we want to reinforce that.
“Allocation of GT-Rs will be based on a number of criteria including the sale of current 350Z models so that may help ease some of the mark-up pressure.
“Finally we are requiring dealers to submit pre-sale paperwork through our regional offices which includes the sale price so that Nissan can provide ongoing counsel regarding mark-ups of the vehicle.”
It’s true, as independently owned businesses the dealerships are free to set their own prices, but this is something that will only hurt the brand and GT-R moniker, not help it.
Edited by AMD87 on Thursday 31st January 22:51
blindswelledrat said:
Who said that AMD?
exhaust note.comhttp://exhaustnote.com/2008/01/30/dealers-to-charge-up-to-129000-on-the-nissan-gt-r/
Gazboy said:
Lone Granger said:
I wouldnt have anything to do with a car thats heavily involved in profiteering followed by the unavoidable crash (so to speak)
Keep your money in your pocket then 
Presumably Mr Granger will be walking everywhere until one of the car manufacturers becomes a non-profit organisation or even a charity.blindswelledrat said:
Gazboy said:
Lone Granger said:
I wouldnt have anything to do with a car thats heavily involved in profiteering followed by the unavoidable crash (so to speak)
Keep your money in your pocket then Presumably Mr Granger will be walking everywhere until one of the car manufacturers becomes a non-profit organisation or even a charity.Gazboy said:
Lone Granger said:
I wouldnt have anything to do with a car thats heavily involved in profiteering followed by the unavoidable crash (so to speak)
Keep your money in your pocket then I know which makes more sense - I can then go and get a 4.5 cerbera, a 5 litre Griff and a new tuned STi with c 400 / 400 power -- and probably still have enough to buy the GTR in Japan...!
It is weird that everyone seems to have such a hang-up about what this car costs in Japan/America.
The same thing applies to every Japanese/American car with strong currency and massive taxes.
Why are people suddenly getting so annoyed about it with regards to the GTR?
It is an irrelevance. The only relevant thing is what you can get in the UK for the same money.
Re TVR: Most recent TVR approx £50k at a guess and would be slower, less comfortable, far more sparse and massively unreliable and much, much slower round the track for an ordinary person. In fact incomparable. I love TVRs for the record, but they are not really a good comparison as they are a fraction of the car that the GTR is thus value for money is no better IMO.
So what else? Ok, you can modify an EVO/Subaru - but that doesnt really count because by the time the GTR gets here then similar modifications will make the GTR even more extraodrinary.
The same thing applies to every Japanese/American car with strong currency and massive taxes.
Why are people suddenly getting so annoyed about it with regards to the GTR?
It is an irrelevance. The only relevant thing is what you can get in the UK for the same money.
Re TVR: Most recent TVR approx £50k at a guess and would be slower, less comfortable, far more sparse and massively unreliable and much, much slower round the track for an ordinary person. In fact incomparable. I love TVRs for the record, but they are not really a good comparison as they are a fraction of the car that the GTR is thus value for money is no better IMO.
So what else? Ok, you can modify an EVO/Subaru - but that doesnt really count because by the time the GTR gets here then similar modifications will make the GTR even more extraodrinary.
blindswelledrat said:
It is weird that everyone seems to have such a hang-up about what this car costs in Japan/America.
The same thing applies to every Japanese/American car with strong currency and massive taxes.
Why are people suddenly getting so annoyed about it with regards to the GTR?
It is an irrelevance. The only relevant thing is what you can get in the UK for the same money.
Re TVR: Most recent TVR approx £50k at a guess and would be slower, less comfortable, far more sparse and massively unreliable and much, much slower round the track for an ordinary person. In fact incomparable. I love TVRs for the record, but they are not really a good comparison as they are a fraction of the car that the GTR is thus value for money is no better IMO.
So what else? Ok, you can modify an EVO/Subaru - but that doesnt really count because by the time the GTR gets here then similar modifications will make the GTR even more extraodrinary.
You are quite right, however i think you will find that more and more people in the UK that havent climbed into the super rich category, relying on mere wages, have little or no disposable income - find being ripped off too, as one slap in the face too much....The same thing applies to every Japanese/American car with strong currency and massive taxes.
Why are people suddenly getting so annoyed about it with regards to the GTR?
It is an irrelevance. The only relevant thing is what you can get in the UK for the same money.
Re TVR: Most recent TVR approx £50k at a guess and would be slower, less comfortable, far more sparse and massively unreliable and much, much slower round the track for an ordinary person. In fact incomparable. I love TVRs for the record, but they are not really a good comparison as they are a fraction of the car that the GTR is thus value for money is no better IMO.
So what else? Ok, you can modify an EVO/Subaru - but that doesnt really count because by the time the GTR gets here then similar modifications will make the GTR even more extraodrinary.
A car that costs probably less than £25k Export price does NOT cost around £60k in UK after taxes, shipping and reasonable IMPORTER margin (most manufacturers make their profit on spares / servicing anyway.)- more like £39k ---- plus I resent being told that the supply is being deliberately restricted to create an innitial false demand over supply to suck in those with more money than sense at a premium(even if I am not one of them!)
As CAR enthusiasts rather than 'INVESTORS' wouldnt it be nice to get a great honest car at an honest price aka Scooby direct imports (they include 3 levels of profit themselves) - the new 300 bhp (re-mappable to 390) STi could no doubt be bought retail in UK for not much more than £20k (with a sensible Importer margin.) - So, yes I would still prefer the 390/390 power STi Hatch for around 1/3rd price of GTR, and then, as i say, be left with a fantastic selection of near new hi-performance machines with the balance cash...say an R8 a few months after the V10 version comes out...??!!
Argumentitive, i accept, however pretty close to achievable. - A REAL pocket rocket with adjustable diffs, stability control and engine management (already proven to match the best Gallardo ever made on damp Welsh everyday roads) ....and.....an R8..!! (bear in mind that the GTR isnt going to be obtainable probably till the end of the year.)
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