Driving jobs for 17/18 year old?
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Fair enough you are not a social person, I guess it helps if you want to work all the time. A couple of points here though, and please understand I don't mean to take the piss:
Do you really want to work 12-14 hours a day to earn £20k? That's a heck of a grind for little gain. I could do it if I wanted, but bugger me, I'd be permanently knackered, so will you. I do about 20 hours overtime a month all told, usually covers my bills. Standard working week is 45 hours for me.
Saving the money:
If you buy a car, you will need to tax and insure it. Who's going to pay for the maintenance on it? A diesel Focus can cost twice as much as an 11 year old 2.8 litre Beemer to run, ask me how I know. You could easily spend a couple of grand plus a year on a motor. Already digging into your savings aren't we.... Then of course you could argue that you won't buy a car, you will use the companys car. Ok, but what if you can't find local work? You will have to pay to get to work in one way or another. Unless you're parents are very supportive, you will find life isn't cheap as long as you are here. To save £100k in 5 years in you're position, you would probably need to earn £35-£40k minimum. You just won't do it on £20k. You don't seem have a very good grasp on how money works in the real world outside you're investment plans.
I'm 23, in an ok but safe job, not very highly paid, tad less than £20k but I work with lovely people and genuinely enjoy it. I have in my mind a nice enough car and nice things, looking to move out of the parents house (where I willingly pay £250 a month without fail to my mum) next year, not loaded whatsoever or have many qualifications past school and college. All that could change as I'm currently talking to (what's left) of the Royal Navy about joining up as a communications technician which doesn't pay the earth (£25-30k after a couple of years training I think), but I've always had an interest in it, plus there are many benefits of working in the forces.
Times are hard for a lot of people, but you will find the happiest of people with s
tty cars and full time jobs, I meet them every day. I haven't a lot of money but I'm happy as fook right now. If you're life plan is to save some money and live for cheap in a foreign land then fair enough, all the best to you, but there are better more realistic ways to do it. Try and get a proper idea of the real world, good luck.
Do you really want to work 12-14 hours a day to earn £20k? That's a heck of a grind for little gain. I could do it if I wanted, but bugger me, I'd be permanently knackered, so will you. I do about 20 hours overtime a month all told, usually covers my bills. Standard working week is 45 hours for me.
Saving the money:
If you buy a car, you will need to tax and insure it. Who's going to pay for the maintenance on it? A diesel Focus can cost twice as much as an 11 year old 2.8 litre Beemer to run, ask me how I know. You could easily spend a couple of grand plus a year on a motor. Already digging into your savings aren't we.... Then of course you could argue that you won't buy a car, you will use the companys car. Ok, but what if you can't find local work? You will have to pay to get to work in one way or another. Unless you're parents are very supportive, you will find life isn't cheap as long as you are here. To save £100k in 5 years in you're position, you would probably need to earn £35-£40k minimum. You just won't do it on £20k. You don't seem have a very good grasp on how money works in the real world outside you're investment plans.
I'm 23, in an ok but safe job, not very highly paid, tad less than £20k but I work with lovely people and genuinely enjoy it. I have in my mind a nice enough car and nice things, looking to move out of the parents house (where I willingly pay £250 a month without fail to my mum) next year, not loaded whatsoever or have many qualifications past school and college. All that could change as I'm currently talking to (what's left) of the Royal Navy about joining up as a communications technician which doesn't pay the earth (£25-30k after a couple of years training I think), but I've always had an interest in it, plus there are many benefits of working in the forces.
Times are hard for a lot of people, but you will find the happiest of people with s
tty cars and full time jobs, I meet them every day. I haven't a lot of money but I'm happy as fook right now. If you're life plan is to save some money and live for cheap in a foreign land then fair enough, all the best to you, but there are better more realistic ways to do it. Try and get a proper idea of the real world, good luck. Jumper111 said:
Steve in Stoke said:
Jumper111 said:
it's their fault more than mine..
Ah yes, the typical teenager quote to reaffirm the maturity status. It had to come out eventually...It was THEN (Before I started being 'offensive/aggressive') that people started throwing out insults and stupid remarks. But ofcourse, it's the teenager's fault, he is young, he CAN'T have ANY experience behind him, he lives with his parents because he is too scared of the real world NOT because he has a parent with a serious illness.. He has issues with social life because he is a ignorant know-it-all teenager, not because he has actually been through a hell of a lot of dramatic events during his upbringing. So OFCOURSE, we should point, laugh and make jokes as we know everything about this person and most importantly, it earns us 'kudos' by throwing out a clever remark however we wish to..
It was pointed out to you that some of the things you were stating regarding financial investment were slightly shaky, certainly in terms of assumptions, not least in the case that you seem to be omitting tax from the whole thing. You then promptly threw all your toys out of the pram (and that is not a reference to your age). FWIW, pass your test, start earning money, and if you don't want to socialise etc, fair enough - it's your money, I just strongly suspect it won't be the amount you are expecting, investments or not.
H_Kan said:
I'm not suggesting you live rent free, merely making the point that I don't see why your parents would only extend one favour and not both. They must be minted after being on this decent little earner. But of a no brainer to remortgage the property and invest the lot into this high return risk free investment. Oh and please reconsider your rude attitude, you've openly declared your intention to evade tax and there are plenty on here who can find out who you are and all manner of personal details.
The reason people replied was because they gave driving suggestions, they had no idea it would turn into the bloody Junior Apprentice!
So it's either BLACK or it's WHITE? There's no gray point? They either throw me out the house when i'm 16, or give me 30k to do as I wish with?The reason people replied was because they gave driving suggestions, they had no idea it would turn into the bloody Junior Apprentice!
Edited by H_Kan on Wednesday 15th December 00:01
They're not minted because they never had a huge capital to begin with and we havn't known about it for long.
Whats wrong with a middleground where: "We will let you live here and pay basic expendetures, as long as you're working and saving/investing your money for the future?" Is it that too unbelievable?
There are plenty of people on here who can find out who I am? Really? Please explain how that works! To me it sounds like a petty 'scarce tactic'.. "oh noes the government are going to be knocking on my door now"..
For the record, I never stated anything about tax evasion, you must of misunderstood..
Jumper111 said:
H_Kan said:
I'm not suggesting you live rent free, merely making the point that I don't see why your parents would only extend one favour and not both. They must be minted after being on this decent little earner. But of a no brainer to remortgage the property and invest the lot into this high return risk free investment. Oh and please reconsider your rude attitude, you've openly declared your intention to evade tax and there are plenty on here who can find out who you are and all manner of personal details.
The reason people replied was because they gave driving suggestions, they had no idea it would turn into the bloody Junior Apprentice!
So it's either BLACK or it's WHITE? There's no gray point? They either throw me out the house when i'm 16, or give me 30k to do as I wish with?The reason people replied was because they gave driving suggestions, they had no idea it would turn into the bloody Junior Apprentice!
Edited by H_Kan on Wednesday 15th December 00:01
They're not minted because they never had a huge capital to begin with and we havn't known about it for long.
Whats wrong with a middleground where: "We will let you live here and pay basic expendetures, as long as you're working and saving/investing your money for the future?" Is it that too unbelievable?
There are plenty of people on here who can find out who I am? Really? Please explain how that works! To me it sounds like a petty 'scarce tactic'.. "oh noes the government are going to be knocking on my door now"..
For the record, I never stated anything about tax evasion, you must of misunderstood..
2) No scare tactic, don't ask me to explain how they do it, but they do. Have a look round on some threads here where irksome characters have had personal details posted after some sleuthing.
3) Oh and you clearly stated in previous replies that you would consider not disclosing full earnings to HMRC if earned outside the PAYE system. As far as tax evasion goes, that's pretty black and white to me.
Jumper111 said:
For the record, I never stated anything about tax evasion, you must of misunderstood..
Jumper111 said:
I don't drink/smoke or have any outgoing expendetures, I like to enjoy the simple, free things in life. Such as downloading pirated games and movies from the internet..
Jumper111 said:
As for Tax, I have already subtly said that, especially if I work more than usual hours, it's not hard to just pocket a lot of it, especially tips.
sparks_E39 said:
Fair enough you are not a social person, I guess it helps if you want to work all the time. A couple of points here though, and please understand I don't mean to take the piss:
Do you really want to work 12-14 hours a day to earn £20k? That's a heck of a grind for little gain. I could do it if I wanted, but bugger me, I'd be permanently knackered, so will you. I do about 20 hours overtime a month all told, usually covers my bills. Standard working week is 45 hours for me.
Saving the money:
If you buy a car, you will need to tax and insure it. Who's going to pay for the maintenance on it? A diesel Focus can cost twice as much as an 11 year old 2.8 litre Beemer to run, ask me how I know. You could easily spend a couple of grand plus a year on a motor. Already digging into your savings aren't we.... Then of course you could argue that you won't buy a car, you will use the companys car. Ok, but what if you can't find local work? You will have to pay to get to work in one way or another. Unless you're parents are very supportive, you will find life isn't cheap as long as you are here. To save £100k in 5 years in you're position, you would probably need to earn £35-£40k minimum. You just won't do it on £20k. You don't seem have a very good grasp on how money works in the real world outside you're investment plans.
I'm 23, in an ok but safe job, not very highly paid, tad less than £20k but I work with lovely people and genuinely enjoy it. I have in my mind a nice enough car and nice things, looking to move out of the parents house (where I willingly pay £250 a month without fail to my mum) next year, not loaded whatsoever or have many qualifications past school and college. All that could change as I'm currently talking to (what's left) of the Royal Navy about joining up as a communications technician which doesn't pay the earth (£25-30k after a couple of years training I think), but I've always had an interest in it, plus there are many benefits of working in the forces.
Times are hard for a lot of people, but you will find the happiest of people with stty cars and full time jobs, I meet them every day. I haven't a lot of money but I'm happy as fook right now. If you're life plan is to save some money and live for cheap in a foreign land then fair enough, all the best to you, but there are better more realistic ways to do it. Try and get a proper idea of the real world, good luck.
Let's pretend that's the case:Do you really want to work 12-14 hours a day to earn £20k? That's a heck of a grind for little gain. I could do it if I wanted, but bugger me, I'd be permanently knackered, so will you. I do about 20 hours overtime a month all told, usually covers my bills. Standard working week is 45 hours for me.
Saving the money:
If you buy a car, you will need to tax and insure it. Who's going to pay for the maintenance on it? A diesel Focus can cost twice as much as an 11 year old 2.8 litre Beemer to run, ask me how I know. You could easily spend a couple of grand plus a year on a motor. Already digging into your savings aren't we.... Then of course you could argue that you won't buy a car, you will use the companys car. Ok, but what if you can't find local work? You will have to pay to get to work in one way or another. Unless you're parents are very supportive, you will find life isn't cheap as long as you are here. To save £100k in 5 years in you're position, you would probably need to earn £35-£40k minimum. You just won't do it on £20k. You don't seem have a very good grasp on how money works in the real world outside you're investment plans.
I'm 23, in an ok but safe job, not very highly paid, tad less than £20k but I work with lovely people and genuinely enjoy it. I have in my mind a nice enough car and nice things, looking to move out of the parents house (where I willingly pay £250 a month without fail to my mum) next year, not loaded whatsoever or have many qualifications past school and college. All that could change as I'm currently talking to (what's left) of the Royal Navy about joining up as a communications technician which doesn't pay the earth (£25-30k after a couple of years training I think), but I've always had an interest in it, plus there are many benefits of working in the forces.
Times are hard for a lot of people, but you will find the happiest of people with s
tty cars and full time jobs, I meet them every day. I haven't a lot of money but I'm happy as fook right now. If you're life plan is to save some money and live for cheap in a foreign land then fair enough, all the best to you, but there are better more realistic ways to do it. Try and get a proper idea of the real world, good luck. 1. I'll work a couple more years.
2. I'll consider getting a slightly better paid job+training. (A lot of them I can't do at 17, like lorrie driving = 21, train driver as well, getting A levels or qual similar to A-levels would be a waste of time as 1. I wouldn't be making any money and 2. A levels are pretty useless, (for me) their only use is going into even further education (+3 years) or distingushing myself from other people in my situation (not worth the 2 years studying) Sure university is a great investment, if I was planning on staying and looking for a career I would without a doubt study and become a banker/whatever but as i'm looking for something short term, it's not worth the investment for ME)
3. I'll spend a few more years investing my money..
4. I'll live a comfortable life as opposed to a 'luxury' life in the third world country of my choosing.
If I do these four things, sure it will be a lot more work and a bit less results but i'd like to see someone attempt to impossible-fy it.
Why is it so hard to believe that someone who gives up 10 years of his life (How many people in all honesty would be willing to do that?) would be able to live the rest of his life in a third world country of his choosing without having to work?
(NOTE: Overall I like your post, you seem like a nice person, thank you! Sorry if my post sounds agressive, it's aimed more at other people)
I also suggest that if you haven't already, visit a third world country, you might like it, you may not. How about taking just one year out and investing some time, instead of money traveling around whilst having a proper good think whilst your at it? In all fairness, you are 17, I and pretty much all my friends the same age as me at 23/24 want totally different things in life now. It's between these ages you really start to learn about life.
Edited by sparks_E39 on Wednesday 15th December 00:46
H_Kan said:
1) Not known about it long.... I'd bet my savings it is a pyramid/ ponzi scheme of some sort then, will eventually collapse.
2) No scare tactic, don't ask me to explain how they do it, but they do. Have a look round on some threads here where irksome characters have had personal details posted after some sleuthing.
3) Oh and you clearly stated in previous replies that you would consider not disclosing full earnings to HMRC if earned outside the PAYE system. As far as tax evasion goes, that's pretty black and white to me.
If you go back I clearly stated that the investment is either in Houses/flats/Lands and it's in a European Country.. I don't see how someone is going to find anything about me after a couple dozen posts none of them giving any specific information out. If it's a regular user with 10k+ posts.. then I can understand it. Even if they somehow DID (they won't), it wouldn't make much of a difference as it would be done in a way that can't be proven.. i'm not explaining it (Please, NO comments about how I am delusional thinking I can cheat the allmighty tax system.. it's all about PLAYING with what you HAVE)2) No scare tactic, don't ask me to explain how they do it, but they do. Have a look round on some threads here where irksome characters have had personal details posted after some sleuthing.
3) Oh and you clearly stated in previous replies that you would consider not disclosing full earnings to HMRC if earned outside the PAYE system. As far as tax evasion goes, that's pretty black and white to me.
MiniMan64 said:
Jumper111 said:
For the record, I never stated anything about tax evasion, you must of misunderstood..
Jumper111 said:
I don't drink/smoke or have any outgoing expendetures, I like to enjoy the simple, free things in life. Such as downloading pirated games and movies from the internet..
Jumper111 said:
As for Tax, I have already subtly said that, especially if I work more than usual hours, it's not hard to just pocket a lot of it, especially tips.
Jumper111 said:
(No, I do NOT have better things to do, if I did I wouldn't be here)
How about getting of your lazy, angst-ridden, argumentative, petty, childish, daydreaming arse, stop wishing your life away on hair-brained schemes and pretend stock markets and get yourself any sort of job that will give you a bit of a headstart on your great scheme for world domination.At your age I was doing my A-levels, had one regular part time job as a bike mechanic, and was working with an agency doing all sorts of s
tty jobs, from disinfecting trucks that had been carrying BSE carcasses, counting circuit board components for an electronics company annual audit, valeting cars prior to delivery, telesales and data-entry work, and the worst job was working with a team of guys painting the halls of residence at the local nurse training college. So many women, so little time... I was also DJ'ing in pubs at weekends, training to join the army as an officer and having an absolute riot of a time when I was young enough to do it without too much responsibility.I was taking home around £2000 a month AFTER tax by working my balls off. I had an amazing social life, met some great people who are still some of my closest friends and confidants to this day, had a top end mountain bike, hifi, a wardrobe of great clothes, had many a lost weekend in hills, clubs, and beds and do not regret a single minute of it. But I also had the foresight to start putting some of that money where my mouth was - into share equity and pension plans, which 17-18 years on are doing very nicely indeed, despite the current financial climate. It would be boastful and rather tasteless of me to say what their projected value will be when they mature in a few years time though.
I didn't sit in a darkened room tied to a computer, thinking the world owed me a favour but I was better off without it, imagining myself as a some sort of stockbroking genius (without the risk of real money of course) having pointless arguements with complete strangers in a sad, pathetic and futile attempt to big myself up - I didn't need to. I was proving myself in the real world, and not in my own imagination and fantasy ambitions. Yes, I did live with my parents but I did not put on them - I paid my way, did a lot of my own cooking and washing (given that I was in and out at all times of the day and night), treated them well with the respect that they had earned and not like an emotional and financial bank, or felt that they were obliged to tend to my every need as I was their child. I had more self respect than that, something you are clearly lacking.
Take a print out of this thread and in a few years time look back at just what an olympic standard immature, socially inept, inexperienced f'uktard you are coming across as. With any luck it will make you cringe with shame, however I have a feeling that you will put this episode down as one of your greatest achievements in your life so far. Which is hardly an accolade really is it?
Basically what the post above says.
You come across a right little tw@.
No wonder you don't like people as you air your points, people air their views and you retaliate immaturely.
Get a grip of life. Get out of the bubble you live in because you won't even get passed interview stages if your attitude is like this in real life.
Won't be reading anymore of this thread as i've listened to enough drivel.
You come across a right little tw@.
No wonder you don't like people as you air your points, people air their views and you retaliate immaturely.
Get a grip of life. Get out of the bubble you live in because you won't even get passed interview stages if your attitude is like this in real life.
Won't be reading anymore of this thread as i've listened to enough drivel.
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