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I had an IS 220d. They are s
te.
My issues were:
gear ratios were bizarre between 1st and 2nd make it always seem in the wrong gear in traffic
dashboard creaks and expands in hot weather - they all do this apparently.
my ac pumps went - maybe bad luck
cluth and flywheel went NOT a cheap fix
tramlining on motorway. The car felt unsettled.
Notchy gear box - this car should of had an auto as standard.
Paint peeled off alloys and wipers on a 4 year old car
Plus points:
leather was top notch and seats are very good.
It looks quite nice.
Build quality isnt bad
mpg not bad and pretty nippy, cant think what the bhp was but around 170.
It always seemed a 'cheap' lexus and not the same quality as ls460 etc.
id avoid.
te.My issues were:
gear ratios were bizarre between 1st and 2nd make it always seem in the wrong gear in traffic
dashboard creaks and expands in hot weather - they all do this apparently.
my ac pumps went - maybe bad luck
cluth and flywheel went NOT a cheap fix
tramlining on motorway. The car felt unsettled.
Notchy gear box - this car should of had an auto as standard.
Paint peeled off alloys and wipers on a 4 year old car
Plus points:
leather was top notch and seats are very good.
It looks quite nice.
Build quality isnt bad
mpg not bad and pretty nippy, cant think what the bhp was but around 170.
It always seemed a 'cheap' lexus and not the same quality as ls460 etc.
id avoid.
ian316 said:
MJK 24 said:
ian316 said:
Yep it seems the 1st owner got it as a retirement present and just pottered about in it £1500 to anyone on here
I take it that it’s automatic? What’s the bodywork like, above and below? Is it cursed with the light grey interior like my 190? 
LetsTryAgain said:
MJK 24 said:
The ‘Lexus Love’ has gone full circle inside a week!
Petrol Lexus vs diesel Lexus...Fundamental difference.
Edited by LetsTryAgain on Monday 25th November 06:48
I went to Germany for a meeting of the German Lexus Owners Club in 2007 ( I think was the year the Tour de france came to the UK first)
On the saturday night the MD of Lexus Germany came to the dinner and gave a talk to the club
A friend translated most of what was said in his talk.
There was a lot of upset is220d owners giving him grief. After a while he surrendered and said it was the last diesel Lexus would ever do. Was a nice guy. Do not thing the UK MD would expose himself in such a way............
In 2009 I went to another meeting and he took me out in his IS-F driven by a test driver for Lexus which was an experience. I then took them out in my Lexus IS350 that I had imported from Japan fitted with a TOM's supercharger and about 375 BHP. He reckoned there was not much difference in grunt...The V8 made a lovely noise though
The Lexus developed a fault! Driver's side headlight.....works fine, then after a few minutes it turns itself off. Turn the lights totally off and then back on again and hey presto, I have working lights....for a few minutes. It's just the main light, not the parking light. Called the garage I bought it from and they said they'd fix it FOC as it's covered by their warranty. The garage asked if they're xenon (which they are) said it's likely a bulb on its way.
Booked in for Wednesday to get it done. So, for all the moaning about their poor communication they seem OK so far.That said, it hasn't been fixed yet
And to make matters worse (for the dealer) I asked if I could borrow a car or use the Corolla if they still had it. They don't do hire cars and I can't use the Corolla because the clutch has gone
Booked in for Wednesday to get it done. So, for all the moaning about their poor communication they seem OK so far.That said, it hasn't been fixed yet
And to make matters worse (for the dealer) I asked if I could borrow a car or use the Corolla if they still had it. They don't do hire cars and I can't use the Corolla because the clutch has gone
The smaller Lexus models seem to be more "Toyota Vanden Plas" than the LS series to me, I remember a colleague back in 2007/8 ish having problems with his new IS220d, after harping on about the flawless reliability of Lexus. The Japanese don't seem to be very good at diesel engines, they were late to the game and it always felt like their hearts weren't really in it.
Perhaps they (quite rightly) thought that a four pot diesel engine has no place in any passenger car. You can just imagine the powerplant engineers at Toyota/Lexus, who a few years before shook the luxury car world with that fabulous V8, standing next to their first ever diesel engine as the evil thing clatters into life.
Surely no engineer with any sense of pride can want their name associated with the first four cylinder diesel "premium" Japanese car; "An Alan Smithee Engine"
Perhaps they (quite rightly) thought that a four pot diesel engine has no place in any passenger car. You can just imagine the powerplant engineers at Toyota/Lexus, who a few years before shook the luxury car world with that fabulous V8, standing next to their first ever diesel engine as the evil thing clatters into life.
Surely no engineer with any sense of pride can want their name associated with the first four cylinder diesel "premium" Japanese car; "An Alan Smithee Engine"
rider73 said:
I had one of those, loved it but I just couldn't live with the fuel economy at the time, 18mpg max doing 20k a year with petrol at £1.35/l. They are very comfy, amusingly fast for such a bus and just generally a lovely place to woofle around in so long as wheely bin interior plastics don't worry you too much. Also unlike Range Rovers of a similar age they mostly work.stickleback123 said:
The smaller Lexus models seem to be more "Toyota Vanden Plas" than the LS series to me, I remember a colleague back in 2007/8 ish having problems with his new IS220d, after harping on about the flawless reliability of Lexus. The Japanese don't seem to be very good at diesel engines, they were late to the game and it always felt like their hearts weren't really in it.
Perhaps they (quite rightly) thought that a four pot diesel engine has no place in any passenger car. You can just imagine the powerplant engineers at Toyota/Lexus, who a few years before shook the luxury car world with that fabulous V8, standing next to their first ever diesel engine as the evil thing clatters into life.
Surely no engineer with any sense of pride can want their name associated with the first four cylinder diesel "premium" Japanese car; "An Alan Smithee Engine"
Subaru were exactly the same - their boxer diesel was terrible, and very late to market.Perhaps they (quite rightly) thought that a four pot diesel engine has no place in any passenger car. You can just imagine the powerplant engineers at Toyota/Lexus, who a few years before shook the luxury car world with that fabulous V8, standing next to their first ever diesel engine as the evil thing clatters into life.
Surely no engineer with any sense of pride can want their name associated with the first four cylinder diesel "premium" Japanese car; "An Alan Smithee Engine"
Honda did quite a good job with the 2.2, but again it took them a long time to get it to market, and it felt a little like they didn't want it to exist.
Krikkit said:
Subaru were exactly the same - their boxer diesel was terrible, and very late to market.
Honda did quite a good job with the 2.2, but again it took them a long time to get it to market, and it felt a little like they didn't want it to exist.
I'd forgotten about that hopeless boxer diesel. Honda did quite a good job with the 2.2, but again it took them a long time to get it to market, and it felt a little like they didn't want it to exist.
The Honda 2.2 was good, felt far faster than it was, but I never drove a Civic 2.2 that didn't slip its clutch! They managed without a DPF on the Gen 8 Civic in the UK when everyone else needed one though, which would be a big positive in a shed.
Prolex-UK said:
LetsTryAgain said:
MJK 24 said:
The ‘Lexus Love’ has gone full circle inside a week!
Petrol Lexus vs diesel Lexus...Fundamental difference.
Edited by LetsTryAgain on Monday 25th November 06:48
I went to Germany for a meeting of the German Lexus Owners Club in 2007 ( I think was the year the Tour de france came to the UK first)
On the saturday night the MD of Lexus Germany came to the dinner and gave a talk to the club
A friend translated most of what was said in his talk.
There was a lot of upset is220d owners giving him grief. After a while he surrendered and said it was the last diesel Lexus would ever do. Was a nice guy. Do not thing the UK MD would expose himself in such a way............
In 2009 I went to another meeting and he took me out in his IS-F driven by a test driver for Lexus which was an experience. I then took them out in my Lexus IS350 that I had imported from Japan fitted with a TOM's supercharger and about 375 BHP. He reckoned there was not much difference in grunt...The V8 made a lovely noise though
With a good diesel engine in the IS and GS, and a proper estate (not the first IS Sportback) they could have sold sooooo many more cars in the UK and Europe.
Not offering the IS220D with an autobox also severely limited the sales of that car. (not that it was any good anyway)
Krikkit said:
Subaru were exactly the same - their boxer diesel was terrible, and very late to market.
Honda did quite a good job with the 2.2, but again it took them a long time to get it to market, and it felt a little like they didn't want it to exist.
Yet again, the Japs were right. Look at where we are with the diesel saga now after decades of diesel being the best thing ever.Honda did quite a good job with the 2.2, but again it took them a long time to get it to market, and it felt a little like they didn't want it to exist.
tobinen said:
Indeed. No diesel taxis in Tokyo AFAIK (and presumably all/other cities)
It's very noticeable if you've been in a US city (and presumably Japanese) just how thick and oily the air is with diesel fumes in every major European city. I'd put the automotive CEOs and lobbyists from the European manufacturers on trial for their self serving promotion of the horrible things when they knew full well the impact it would have, and the regulators for being so incompetent as to fall for it.Burning diesel fuel in heavily populated areas was as obviously cretinous as putting tetraethyl lead in petrol was, and hydrogenated fats in food, and advanced by the same sort of b
d too.Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 25th November 11:33
rider73 said:
errr am i right in thinking the LS460 (and persumable other 4's) and 600's DO NOT have folding rear seat or "ski hatch"?
how does one get ikea furniture home?
You're right. It's one of the few major drawbacks to 430 ownership in my view. You can get lots in because the cabin and boot are pretty cavernous, but long loads are a problem.how does one get ikea furniture home?
CharlesdeGaulle said:
rider73 said:
errr am i right in thinking the LS460 (and persumable other 4's) and 600's DO NOT have folding rear seat or "ski hatch"?
how does one get ikea furniture home?
You're right. It's one of the few major drawbacks to 430 ownership in my view. You can get lots in because the cabin and boot are pretty cavernous, but long loads are a problem.how does one get ikea furniture home?
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