VW in trouble over alleged US emission test manipulations

[Warmfuzzies]

Fascinating for the euro 5/6compliance using ad blue but what about the euro 5 ea89 models....without additives, as many of them are.

Edited by Warmfuzzies on Wednesday 30th December 09:33

[Mr2Mike]

Warmfuzzies said:

Fascinating for the euro 5/6compliance using ad blue but what about the euro 5 ea89 models....without additives, as many of them are.

The EA189 uses a NOx trap which requires a periodic rich cycle to clear and convert stored NOx to nitrogen. That means higher fuel consumption and more particulates to be trapped by the DPF.

[Warmfuzzies]

Mr2Mike said:

Warmfuzzies said:

Fascinating for the euro 5/6compliance using ad blue but what about the euro 5 ea89 models....without additives, as many of them are.

The EA189 uses a NOx trap which requires a periodic rich cycle to clear and convert stored NOx to nitrogen. That means higher fuel consumption and more particulates to be trapped by the DPF.

Excellent, thanks completely unaware of that system, pity it wasn't really covered in the above vid

[boxedin]

Interesting. Though backs up my view prior to this that VAG selling EU5 cars in the USA seemed, 'curious'. VAG utterly over-reached and deserve everything they get [1]. The additional EU cheating, CO2, customer interfacing just nailed it all home and since this came to light VAG will and have not seen another penny from this punter.

[1] which appears to be next-to-nothing from the EU.

[Harrytsg]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35227435

[bitchstewie]

Wow is it that big of a deal?

[k-ink]

bhstewie said:

Wow is it that big of a deal?

Not compared to the pollution caused by everyone buying unnecessary crap from China for Christmas. However there is money up for grabs so the laughable hypocrisy continues.

[Vipers]

bhstewie said:

Wow is it that big of a deal?

Thinking 10 years minimum through the courts, lots of fat lawyers, zillions of dollas as well. Hope the yanks are squeeky clean.

No doubt they are checking their own manufactured cars.

[RYH64E]

bhstewie said:

Wow is it that big of a deal?

Cheating the US tests and using their supposed green credentials to compete unfairly with indigenous US manufacturers, in the most litigious country in the world?

[bitchstewie]

RYH64E said:

Cheating the US tests and using their supposed green credentials to compete unfairly with indigenous US manufacturers, in the most litigious country in the world?

Sorry, I'm just a little fed up of every time I go on the BBC website there's a big red banner of "breaking news" of something that's actually not that important, albeit purely in my opinion.

[RDMcG]

It is a very big deal for VW. The Justice Department likes to collect trophies, and when they feel they have been deceived they have an an endless array of legal tools at their disposal. It is very bad for VW.

[skyrover]

bhstewie said:

Sorry, I'm just a little fed up of every time I go on the BBC website there's a big red banner of "breaking news" of something that's actually not that important, albeit purely in my opinion.

Drive a Volkswagen?

[anonymous-user]

I'ts not just VW branded cars, the suit lists VW, Audi and Porsche jointly under the combined name of VW.

The cars affected and in the suit are:

Affected 2.0 liter diesel models and model years include:
•Jetta (2009-2015)
•Jetta Sportwagen (2009-2014)
•Beetle (2013-2015)
•Beetle Convertible (2013-2015)
•Audi A3 (2010-2015)
•Golf (2010-2015)
•Golf Sportwagen (2015)
•Passat (2012-2015)

Affected 3.0 liter diesel models and model years include:
•Volkswagen Touareg (2009-2016)
•Porsche Cayenne (2013-2016)
•Audi A6 Quattro (2014-2016)
•Audi A7 Quattro (2014-2016)
•Audi A8 (2014 – 2016)
•Audi A8L (2014-2016)
•Audi Q5 (2014-2016)
•Audi Q7 (2009-2015)

[mollytherocker]

Vipers said:

Thinking 10 years minimum through the courts, lots of fat lawyers, zillions of dollas as well. Hope the yanks are squeeky clean.

No doubt they are checking their own manufactured cars.

The lawyers have just arrived for their first briefing.

[skyrover]

mollytherocker said:

The lawyers have just arrived for their first briefing.

Still cleaner than a VW

(not joking either... they are petrol powered)

[mollytherocker]

skyrover said:

Still cleaner than a VW

(not joking either... they are petrol powered)

It depends on your definition of clean!

[RYH64E]

mollytherocker said:

skyrover said:

Still cleaner than a VW

(not joking either... they are petrol powered)

It depends on your definition of clean!

Unfortunately for VW it really depends on the US EPA's definition of clean.

[skyrover]

mollytherocker said:

skyrover said:

Still cleaner than a VW

(not joking either... they are petrol powered)

It depends on your definition of clean!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide#Saf...

[Kolbenkopp]

k-ink said:

Not compared to the pollution caused by everyone buying unnecessary crap from China for Christmas. However there is money up for grabs so the laughable hypocrisy continues.

Agree, objectively there are certainly much worse 'eco-sins' on the planet. Still, the US will make maximum use of the events and has the laws to do so. Also will provide excellent bargaining material. Think they are pretty fed off we pester their internet giants so much with privacy laws and lame attempts to make them pay taxes. Could also help sell TTIP...

But VW should have seen this coming. You don't try to pull stunts like this, as said previously here, in the worlds most litigious county. This will be expensive, and the US is just the start...

[Devil2575]

skyrover said:

mollytherocker said:

The lawyers have just arrived for their first briefing.

Still cleaner than a VW

(not joking either... they are petrol powered)

Really?

I mean...really?