Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

[Cliftonite]

V6Pushfit said:

So, starting at the other end, are there receipts from the DVLA for the V5's sent back to them and what do they do with the numbers - put them up for sale via their cherished numbers dept or make them permanently cancelled? Is there actual evidence that a V5 number bought from eBay and sent to them now no longer exists?

Numbers are not reissued.

[InitialDave]

Cliftonite said:

Numbers are not reissued.

Is there any reason for them not to reissue a number from a car that has been scrapped? It shouldn't be any more hassle for them than the transfer from any other source, and it would make them extra money selling more unusual stuff.

[anonymous-user]

Still a number of other questions that are unanswered !

[Liquid Knight]

V6Pushfit said:

Still a number of other questions that are unanswered !

Why not make freedom of information request and ask the DVLA yourself?

[Liquid Knight]

A357 YBO

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-110-1984-V8-L...

SSY 906

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Series-Defend...

https://navcis.police.uk/ aware.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUSTIN-MINI-1963-V5-LOGB...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/cortina-mk-1-1500-gt-log...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Sereis-3-Bulk...

[anonymous-user]

Liquid Knight said:

V6Pushfit said:

Still a number of other questions that are unanswered !

Why not make freedom of information request and ask the DVLA yourself?

They wouldn't be able answer them they're for you really!

[Josho]

So I've just sold the body of van.

I assumed it would go to Africa but instead it is going to be used to clone a vehicle.

What is the best way of one sorting this?

[Cliftonite]

Austin Mini:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=331990060424...

2000 c.c. !

[Cliftonite]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/cortina-mk-1-1500-gt-log...

[Liquid Knight]

Josho said:

So I've just sold the body of van.

I assumed it would go to Africa but instead it is going to be used to clone a vehicle.

What is the best way of one sorting this?

Report it to the Police because you are an accessory by default and could end up in as much trouble as the cloners/ringers.

Explain you sold the shell to be exported or scrapped but you have later found out the intentions of the buyer was unlawful.

[anonymous-user]

Liquid Knight said:

Report it to the Police because you are an accessory by default and could end up in as much trouble as the cloners/ringers.

Explain you sold the shell to be exported or scrapped but you have later found out the intentions of the buyer was unlawful.

Sounds more like a wind up

[Liquid Knight]

V6Pushfit said:

Liquid Knight said:

Report it to the Police because you are an accessory by default and could end up in as much trouble as the cloners/ringers.

Explain you sold the shell to be exported or scrapped but you have later found out the intentions of the buyer was unlawful.

Sounds more like a wind up

That's what I would do if I sold a rolling chassis or shell in good faith and found out it was being unlawfully used later. Primarily to cover my own back. As stated before if these identity sales are used illegally with the sellers knowledge or not they are accessories to the crime and are equally as accountable.

[anonymous-user]

Liquid Knight said:

V6Pushfit said:

Liquid Knight said:

Report it to the Police because you are an accessory by default and could end up in as much trouble as the cloners/ringers.

Explain you sold the shell to be exported or scrapped but you have later found out the intentions of the buyer was unlawful.

Sounds more like a wind up

That's what I would do if I sold a rolling chassis or shell in good faith and found out it was being unlawfully used later. Primarily to cover my own back. As stated before if these identity sales are used illegally with the sellers knowledge or not they are accessories to the crime and are equally as accountable.

Apologies I meant Joshos being a wind up

[lard]

Having read through the thread, great to see the work going on!

whilst putting an identify back on a vehicle that's had it's identity "lost" sounds like a legitimate use, there are already ways to do this with the DVLA and get an age related plate, same as importing vehicles and receiving age related registrations, the DVLA reserve the right to inspect the vehicle to make sure it's legitimate....

The sale of V5's (with loose associated parts) enables people to put total loss cars back on the road, change the identity of stolen vehicles, avoid "Q" plates for heavily modified vehicles, inflate the value of a less desirable model/year build and cheat the system by gaining tax free/historic status

keep it up

[anonymous-user]

I agree although there seem to be better ways to achieve the objective, and the reluctance to want legal/political or database methods is surprising along with LK actually buying these plates therefore being an accessory to the crime others are being accused of. I had wondered at one point wether this thread was a covert place to actually advertise the 'kits'. However no doubt someone will answer earlier questions, albeit subtely asked, in order to put future readers minds at rest and get them on board.

[Liquid Knight]

V6Pushfit said:

LK actually buying these plates therefore being an accessory to the crime others are being accused of.

By purchasing the identity no offenses other than those encompassed by the Vehicle Licensing and Registration Act are committed by the seller. As all I am doing is returning the DVLA their property.

[anonymous-user]

^ Yes I get that. I don't get why you use your own money randomly buying V5's that are a drop in the ocean and will come up for sale regularly forever without a DVLA change or database, and haven't said if you have any receipts from DVLA or acknowledgement for the documents you've sent them. This thread also serves as advertising the V5's.
I also think in the eyes of the law you risk being an accessory to the crime until the point you have a receipt to show it has been received by DVLA so hence the importance of the receipt.

Options:

1. A database - wouldn't cost much and every V5 sold with little or no remaining car can be logged with details and be searchable in the future. DVLA may start to do this if nudged by Police/Government

2. DVLA/Governmemt be alerted to the issue and then there a nationwide review of SORN's etc

Quite honestly I say putting the details up here is like the drugs war comparison made earlier and where you can't stop a minor dealer selling then buying the drugs instead, which is still being part of the crime. This issue is important to the UK used car industry and as such seeming to not want the overall situation to change is a dichotomy.

If you have an endless budget for doing this then fair enough, but personally I would use it to lobby DVLA/Government to do something, or if I was desperate then give it to good causes. Lastly, I have press and other connections so am quite happy to take it further to get it ring fenced at a higher level if it would bear fruit.

[Ahbefive]

V6Pushfit said:

I have press and other connections

Wait, you said that you don't know anyone that does drugs. If the quote above is true then that is clearly bks.

[anonymous-user]

Ahbefive said:

V6Pushfit said:

I have press and other connections

Wait, you said that you don't know anyone that does drugs. If the quote above is true then that is clearly bks.

^ Makes no sense at all?

Anyway this all seems a very bizarre waste of time, an impossible objective which is also undermined if there is no desire to go higher or create a searchable database....

If the intentions of this thread are true then it's necessary to do all of this in another way. The results of any cloning/ringing etc don't happen immediately they could be a month or years down the line when the record on here is long forgotten. And as for buying the V5's ??? I mean hello??

[Steffan]

V6Pushfit said:

Ahbefive said:

V6Pushfit said:

I have press and other connections

Wait, you said that you don't know anyone that does drugs. If the quote above is true then that is clearly bks.

^ Makes no sense at all?

Anyway this all seems a very bizarre waste of time, an impossible objective which is also undermined if there is no desire to go higher or create a searchable database....

If the intentions of this thread are true then it's necessary to do all of this in another way. The results of any cloning/ringing etc don't happen immediately they could be a month or years down the line when the record on here is long forgotten. And as for buying the V5's ??? I mean hello??

This thread has been running for some time and a significant number of improper sales of V5's and identification of ringers advertised on the web have been prevented directly as a result of these interventions. That Is a considerable achievement and I therefore support this thread and the efforts being undertaken to minimise these illegal sales.

If you wish to start additional threads on here using the methods you suggest then that is entirely up to you and I wish you well. However commenting negativey and repeatedly on the successful efforts on this thread seems churlish to me. Why not try you approach and see how well you get on? I think you will find that the creator of this thread has actually achieved considerable success with his efforts.

The growing problem of ringers in the car markets must be a matter of serious concern to all motoring enthusiasts. I now see serious numbers of kit cars for sale that are not at all, what they purport to be. Anything that reduces these frauds must be supported.